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Post by Koosh Koosh! on Jun 19, 2005 21:34:38 GMT -5
To set the cat amongst the pigeons, re: Ben Hurst: Why does Ben Hurst lurk around the SatAM community anyway? Surely if he's such a great writer, he should be writing some cool stuff and not indulging in trying to revive a dead cartoon that finished a decade ago.
I'm not singling out Hurst here, as I generally dislike writers doing that sort of thing anyway (hanging around their own fandom). If I ever get anything published or what not (hahahahaha), I'll make a point of staying away from my fandom. Or at least, maintaining a distance.
It just strikes me as bizarre that Ben cares about this 10 years on. He should be moving onwards and upwards. I'm sure his ideas for Season 3 could be inserted into something else, like a novel, perhaps even evolving beyond the restrictions of the liscenced Sega/DiC characters.
Or maybe I'm just rambling.
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Post by BlazeHedgehod on Jun 19, 2005 21:38:13 GMT -5
Well, my understanding is, Ben spoke with Ken Penders over the comic several times after SatAM died - probably so Ken could get information on the SatAM plots the comic was running at the time. From then, Sonique got in contact with him and has kind of dragged him further into the fandom, I guess.
He cares because his fans care, I guess. Seems noble enough for me.
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Seph
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Post by Seph on Jun 19, 2005 21:40:45 GMT -5
Can you name any of the addresses you used? He's having trouble locating the e-mail. On this note, I'd like to say that what you did really doesn't matter -- it was a way of making sure PC0 felt the irony of the situation, as well as shooting down any attempt he made to justify it.
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Post by sonique on Jun 19, 2005 21:42:14 GMT -5
Heh, well no that's not all that Ben Hurst does. He's not JUST a writer. He's doing museum stuff now. He's written and planned exhibits for some museum in... uhm... Texas ... no wait...god which state was it? >_< I'm not going to say anymore because I know I'll get wrong
He did something in Texas but I don't remember what it was. XD Anyways, he still works with Pat on lotsa stuff too. He's not really into media as in cartoons and that kind of writing anymore. He's more into, like I said, the museum things and apparently this is an exhibit he's been planning for a while. It has to do with Indians, in fact I should find the number for the museum because if you call after hours, you'll get Ben Hurst's voice on the recording ^_^
And it's not just that he cares about the show anymore, he's just impressed by the fanbase and that it's still alive. We've become friends over the years and I've learned so much about him it's incredible. The guy has done EVERYTHING! He taught me how to do the Porky Pig studder... how did he do that/ He was trained by Mel Blanc himself!...
but now I'm rambling. and he IS moving onwards and upwards, it's just he's friends with me and likes to drop by on my board every so often because he's a nice guy
EDIT: emails I've used: soneechg2@aol.com soniquesp@aol.com soniquefus AT hotmail.com and sonique at satamsonic.com
also how long ago was this that I sent this horrible email of doom?
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Post by Koosh Koosh! on Jun 19, 2005 21:43:43 GMT -5
I had a feeling it was something like that. Thanks for the confirmation though, Ryan.
I dunno... I've always been a firm believer in never meeting your heroes. Disappointment and all that.
If I was a fan of SatAM to begin with, I really wouldn't like to talk to Hurst in that sort of cozy forum environment. I guess it just appears to me that all he has left is the fans of a series he worked on years ago... I mean, I'm obviously wrong and I'm sure he's working on all sorts of exciting new stuff... but if he was truly that busy...
Hrm.
Edit: Damn you, Sonique. Just as I had finished my reply to Blaze.
That was very informative though... nice to see that he's working on other stuff. Ashame he's not writing too much anymore. Despite not liking SatAM, I realise that the cult fanbase means that he's an at least decent writer, so maybe I would have picked up a novel of his or something.
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Post by sonique on Jun 19, 2005 21:46:11 GMT -5
Just because he's busy doesn't mean he doesn't have time for friends once in a while
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Post by Seph on Jun 19, 2005 23:25:47 GMT -5
He can't find the original e-mail, but he archives everything, which suggests something is missing. However, he DID find ICQ logs of him mentioning it to various friends, so there's proof it exists. On this note however, I'd like to point out that Cyan is NOT involved in this conflict at all, aside from my own reference to him and the e-mail. In addition, he doesn't take sides in this little travesty, and the e-mail searching was merely a favor called in by me.
So that means don't e-mail him in a fit of outrage or anything, he's not involved in this.
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Post by sonique on Jun 19, 2005 23:27:20 GMT -5
I don't email people in fits of outrage. It's not my style. ARe you sure he didn't get something from someone saying "I'm speaking on behalf of FUS!" because unfortunately, people do that a lot =/ Then they get banned =D
eee OP 148 is out
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Post by Seph on Jun 19, 2005 23:40:19 GMT -5
No, I've read it before. It was you. The logs he told me about point to somewhere around 2001, or before. You were known to be quite a powderkeg back then.
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Post by sonique on Jun 20, 2005 0:19:25 GMT -5
I was but only when attacked first. He must have provoked me.
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Post by Seph on Jun 20, 2005 0:37:25 GMT -5
Believe what you want, then. I remember it quite clearly, even if you don't.
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Post by sonique on Jun 20, 2005 1:33:42 GMT -5
well if you could give me more details I probably could remember it more. Just saying "You sent so and so a mean email." If you remember it so clearly, what did the email say?
I remember the Underground Zone and the only email I remember sending was asking for Ben Hurst's email (yes that I remember doing >_<) annndd... other than that I thought it was a fine site.
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Post by PC0 on Jun 20, 2005 2:56:56 GMT -5
God forbid someone disagrees with you, PC0. If you guys want to crusade to get 4Kids to change their ways of butchering anime, go for it. I doubt you'll succeed, but you're welcome to try. I have no problem with that. I won't support it, as I feel like even that is a futile effort, but I can respect the dedication. That's all I was asking Sz. I wasn't talking about YOU, I was refering to people saying stuff like, "You're fucking stupid" or, "you're an idiot for doing this" and the what-not. You took no part in the bashing and those who didn't like the idea but didn't act like assholes, are exempt from my comments. I've been missunderstood, It's not "THEY DISAGREE! KILL THEM!", it's the unfair bashing of Sonique for trying to do something nice that bothers me. I hardly doubt there's any obvious negatives of this movement though. Unlike Iraq, we aren't sending people to their deaths, that's a bunk comparisson and you know it =/ As for proclaiming that we WILL save One Piece? Over-enthusiasim I suppose, but you gotta be enthusiastic to take a big job on like this anyway. Oh, like they weren't provoked into acting that way? Have you seen the way a lot of SegaSonic fans treat SatAM fans? It's a hell of a lot worse than SatAMers have EVER treated ANYONE. It was a retaliation that they were pushed into by a large number of outright mean people. Some of them were over zealous, yes, but they were goaded into it by a lot of people who outright hated SatAM. So don't go pushing all the blame on the SatAM communities because SegaSonic is the mainstream, they weren't the ones who fired the first shot. If you don't believe this, why don't you go over to TSS and make a SatAM topic, see what happens. Seph: What Sz said was mostly correct, although he misunderstood me to some degree. I'm not proclaiming that everything is rosy and blah blah blah, but you're attacking my friend, period. Yes, yes, you're trying to defend Cyan. I got that. Frankly, I don't know Cyan, but whatever Sonique supposedly did is in the past. That was... how many years ago? I fail to see how that justifies they way you're treating her now =/ Were you in the FUS community where this was actually happening? No? NEXT! Show me this e-mail you keep going on about. Oh, you can't? Only ICQ conversations? Why, those aren't any more reliable than the word and comments of the FUS community! NEXT Last I checked, the DVDs weren't really uncut, but rather mostly the same crap. Apparently, the uncut DVDs have been handed over to Funi or something, so that whole bit is null and void now, isn't it? NEXT! Yet you're against any attempt to try and acheive the goals? What the hell is that all about? NEXT! And thank you, for taking my entire comment out of context! It was an allussion to bullys attacking people because the feel bad about themselves. Note, I didn't know about this whole Cyan thing, so to me, you were acting like a bully, with nothing but the intentions of belittling someone to make yourself feel better. Apparently, you're doing the exact thing I am and trying to defend a friend. I countered everything YOU said! Hurray! I can troll too! Let's celebrate abuse of the quote commands! As far as being fanatical? Not really, I'm just a passionate person and have strong beliefs in things. Now, that 1-cent whore comment however, is unacceptable. I don't know who's been telling you that crap, but I don't mess with whores, prostitutes or any of that crap. Someone has been taking conversations I have with friends about my personal life WAY out of context and spreading rumors about me, that I have anonymous sex and will fuck any girl who comes my way and crap like that. Sorry, that's utter lies. I have morals and standards just like anyone else. I just don't go steady. Is that so wrong to not want a steady girlfriend? I just like to go on dates without having to be tied down by committment, because I am AT A YOUNG AGE AND HAVE NO BUSINESS LOOKING FOR A PERMANEANT RELATIONSHIP ANYWAY! I'm sooo sorry for having a personal life that differs from the "High School Puppy Love" standard. So I guess I'm an asshole for having strong beliefs. Well, if that's the case, then so be it. I am an asshole. But you're obviously not any better Seph. You and I have the same motivation here and you know it. We're both trying to defend our beliefs and more so, our friends. If I'm so bad for caring, then congrats, you've brought yourself down to my level. I almost always try to get along with everyone, you know. But when someone attacks my friends, I get riled. Apparently, there's some people who hate me because I'm willing to stand up for my friends and they happen to not like my friends or they think I went too far or whatever or they just plain don't like me. I'm not perfect in any way except for the first word of my user-name, but I'm trying to do the best I can, to do what I think is right. And if that's wrong, then I don't care. Call me Dr. Doom, lamer, n00b, fag, asshole, jerkwad, idiot, piece of shit, dumbass, stupid, moron, whatever you want. Because atleast I have the self-respect to stand up for my own feelings and the feelings of those I care about. That's more than a lot of people can say and that's good enough for me. But don't go spreading lies about me that simply aren't true. I'm sorry I'm not good enough to conform to your parameters of social perfection. I'm sorry I'm fanatical. I'm sorry for being friends with people you don't like. I'm sorry for having different feelings about certain things. I have faults, after all, I'm a human being, no better or worse than anyone else. I'm not perfect, I'm wrong sometimes, I get carried away every now and then and that maybe, just maybe, I act like an asshole sometimes when I get upset. So what? I have faults, problems, imperfections and undesirable traits. But you know what? I accept them. They're a part of me. If you don't like it, I'm sorry, but that's who I am. So go ahead, attack me. Rip me to shreds, do whatever the fuck you want. But I know who I am, how I feel and what I believe in and nothing you do can take that away. Oh and for the record, I don't need to learn a thing from Sz. Sz isn't me, I don't need to act like him. I don't need to pretend to be someone I'm not just to gain your acceptance. I'm not going to hide behind a mask. Hey, atleast I'm honest :D
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Post by Merry Smindmas on Jun 20, 2005 3:51:47 GMT -5
Wow, this has really escalated, huh? I don't know (or care, for that matter) what happened between the SatAM and SEGASonic fans but I do know it happened years ago, so all of you leave it and stop getting so defensive about everything.
Oh, and don't bother quoting me ;D
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Post by PC0 on Jun 20, 2005 4:00:13 GMT -5
Wow, this has really escalated, huh? I don't know (or care, for that matter) what happened between the SatAM and SEGASonic fans but I do know it happened years ago, so all of you leave it and stop getting so defensive about everything. Oh, and don't bother quoting me ;D And thus, Smindas proves he is smarter than either of us.
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Post by Jolly Joes on Jun 20, 2005 4:01:43 GMT -5
Wait, when did they released the first uncut DVD of One Piece? Last time I've checked they were releasing the TV edited version first and then somewhere on the line they are releasing the uncuts. I mean supposedly, the reason it is taking so long in the release is that they had to redub several lines and they are calling it "Slow Piece"--ha ha ha.
Though, I still don't understand the logic of not buying the uncut/subbed version of a property to ruin a company. I mean look what happened to Cardcaptor Sakura. The CCS DVD Pioneer released outsold the Cardcaptors DVD and it boned Nelvana in the butt. No one bought the Tenchi Muyo TV edited DVDs. Even Funimation dropped the edited DVD of their most popular shows because it was more cost efficient to just release the uncut versions.
Also, good luck with the Save One Piece site--only I'm sure Sonique, that you weren't the first who came up with this campaign and certainly won't be the last. Also don't be surprised in that many anime fans(well the more vocal ones at least) will dismiss this site as a "futile effort" or "hogwash" as many of them are pretty pessimistic with campaigns like this. I blame Petiononline and SaveOurSailors.
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Post by Merry Smindmas on Jun 20, 2005 4:07:37 GMT -5
And thus, Smindas proves he is smarter than either of us. But... you quoted me ;-;
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Post by BlazeHedgehod on Jun 20, 2005 4:19:31 GMT -5
Several? The way I heard it, they were re-dubbing more than just "several lines" - they were rewriting and redubbing the entire series, one episode at a time. There was even a rumor going around surrounding Toei's involvement in the Uncut DVD release saying Toei might hire a brand-new voice cast just for the uncut DVDs (I highly doubt that, though).
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Post by Neo on Jun 20, 2005 4:29:15 GMT -5
Wow, a counter to everything you said, which was mostly you just sobbing like a little baby. You know, you really do make yourself look like an asshole with the way you're fanatical about every god damn thing you take an interest in. Go fuck some 1-cent whores like you always brag about, please. HAY GUYS I KNOW A GREAT ARGUMENT STRATEGY LET'S INSULT PEOPLE IT MAKES US LOOK SMRT
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Post by Housekeeper (loljanitor) Faddy on Jun 20, 2005 9:21:37 GMT -5
I spect I'll insert my two cents into the fray, because I'm bored and it's the natural law of message boards. Because I'm forgetting what I was going to say, numbered list! Oh, it IS your faults I forgot. Trying to stretch out my attention span and all that.
1. I'm a major anti-cencorship fanatic. I believe in the four worded phrases, "Change the fucking channel." and "Use your fucking v-chip." The exact wordings are necessary for the effect. Pardon my lack of cen*kickpunch*
2. I kind of like subs. But that's because I'm so used to it. I like dubs, but not ones that make my ears retch.
3. If 4kids would release un-edited versions of their stuff, I'd be content to watch it. IE: An actual unedited dub. WITH subtitle options, damnit.
4. The OP is evil. 4kids OPs are evil. So are their dub jobs. They are too much like Nintendo's naming schemes, except worse.
5. I'll stop watching One Piece because you asked and because I can sleep in if I do.
6. Not a major fan of the series only because it's saga-oriented. But I did enjoy the sub I watched.
7. It looks like the topic went off-topic.
8. I fully support the idea of spreading subs. Why? Just do.
9. I usually watch dubs with subtitles turned on.
10. I forgot half of what I read already. Muh.
11. I kind of have idealistic thoughts about people being open-minded enough to live and let live, but that's unrealistic. The economy itself probably disaproves of such a thought.
12. I think it's great that fans say stuff about what they like. Driven to take a stand is very comendable. I wish you godspeed. Even if others think it's stupid and think everyone needs to ram it down the throats of those they disaprove of. Unless said fans turn to throat-ramming themselves.
13. Rambling on at this point.
There we go. there's my two cents worth of rambling. My arguements are thrown out on a spir-of-the-moment thought. And usually without looking for loopholes. Because I forget why.
I forgot what I was doing again.
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