sonique
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Post by sonique on Jun 18, 2005 15:06:31 GMT -5
But before I save it, can someone link me to that site Blaze had because I can't find it =/ *hopes it's still up* okay Im going to copy and paste a post I made on a One Piece forum: Hi, this is my first post and a risky one at that. I will either gain your respect or you will laugh at me... or possibly ignore me from here on out. I've been a fan of One Piece for some time now thanks to my friend PerfectChaosZero ^_^ Anywho... I see a lot of messages going around about how the 4kids version sucks and I totally agree. The difference is I've yet to see a single episode of it. I don't need to see an episode of the 4kids dub to know it's crap. Anything 4kids does is crap After I heard the dub's theme song (or lack there of) for the first time a few minutes ago, I now sit here and listen to Believe to get that horrid rap out of my head. It's now I decided I am the girl who will save One Piece. (Sound familiar ) Now how will I do this? First off Im going to make a website to inform those who are not ... well informed of what their missing but I need help. I might even go so far as to buy the domain name "Saveonepiece.com" or something. Second Im going to make sure people know what they need to do to save the anime and get it away from 4kids forever. It can happen, I believe it can. Third, I need your help now. A lot of kids out there don't realize what they're missing. We need to help them ^_^ One thing to do is point them to this site obviously. However, Im afraid some of those with slower modems would be scared away. Im wondering, would anyone be willing to make copies of the episodes here and send them to people who might need them? I can burn the episode but I don't have a CD copier and I think that'd be best. I can burn them and send them to someone who has one and we can go from there. It seems like a lot of work but I think it could be worth it in the end. Obviously there'd be no charge except for shipping. Another thing is I need you to all stop watching the 4kids dub. I know a lot of you like to watch it because it's so rediculously funny and retarded, but by doing this you're giving the show ratings and supporting it. So please stop watching it. We know it sucks, we don't need to know any more than that ^_^ I heard 4kids is going to release and uncut version of One Piece on DVD... DO NOT BUY IT! Do not buy anything from 4kids. You will be handing them money and saying you support what they do. This is unacceptable. We have all the uncut stuff we need right here at this site so there's no reason to buy an uncut DVD. If you want a One Piece DVD, buy an official one from Japan or something. You may think that you're just one person and that it doesn't matter but it does. This is how I plan to do this. If the ratings in 4kids' One Piece drops and they aren't making a profit, they will (hopefully) drop the show. At least this is my plan. You also may think I'm all talk and no do but I swear that I am going to do this. I just can't right now becaues I have work in an hour XD But tonight and tomorrow Im going to get the website finished and get it on the web ASAP. I will have banners for people to put in their signatures, and addresses to write to. Things like that. Please help me with this. There are a ton of One Piece fans out there who are getting jipped and dupped by 4kids. Don't let it happen. Let's save it. We can do it, I know we can. I will NOT give up because I will NOT take no for an answer. Even if you aren't willing to help me now, I'll still go on making the site and spreading the word by myself so I'll do it with or without you ^_^ So yeah ^_^ That's it I guess, please help me. It may seem strange but "I Don't care about making ends meet or leading an ordinary life. I run toward paradise."
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Post by dead on Jun 18, 2005 15:53:21 GMT -5
Good intentions, but sadly 4kids probably won't pay attention to a word of it. ;_;
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sonique
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Post by sonique on Jun 18, 2005 15:54:51 GMT -5
they'll pay attention to losing money and ratings though
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Post by Merry Smindmas on Jun 18, 2005 15:58:21 GMT -5
I dunno, it's going to be hard to get this boycott to work on those who don't visit internet communities of any kind, or those too young to competently use the interweb =/
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Post by Blues on Jun 18, 2005 15:59:50 GMT -5
Most of their audiance are young children who dont use the internet or really care to this extent about the quality of their cartoons. If you do indeed hit their ratings I dont think it would be enough to cause concern.
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Post by Sz on Jun 18, 2005 16:10:13 GMT -5
It doesn't matter whether or not you'll take no for an answer, it's functionally (absolutely, unquestionally) impossible to stop something like this once the ball gets rolling and the dub is actually released. 4Kids bought the liscense, they have the legal rights to the show. They will continue to have the rights to the show until the liscensing agreement expires. By the time the agreement expires (I have no idea about the length... however, you can obviously count on them continuing doing what they're doing for a number of years), no other anime company will redub a show that's failed/over with popularity wise (either way, there's no profit in it) ... Thus, barring some impossible situation I honestly can't comprehend, there is no way One Piece will get a professional quality American dub. The only hope in that department lies in a fan group at some indefinite time period down the road that is very good at dubbing shows... but that won't change whether or not 4Kids sells 2 DVDs or 20000.
Thus, there's no hope that there'll be a decent (barring, say, maybe in the UK. If they're lucky?) english dub, and no hope for "saving" the show over here. Which leaves us with only one remaining reason to try a internet boycott of One Piece DVDs -- revenge. This is a decent enough reason I guess, but consider... Internet boycott. Has an internet boycott ever worked? What about a privately organized boycott of TV media? It's plausible, but considering 4Kids is marketing to kids (I determined this with my astute detective prowess), and it's not like the parents are going to be outraged that 6 year old Timmy isn't seeing blood and gore in his cartoons ... Sounds like an utterly useless idea to me. 4Kids will still make their money, and they'll still make enough of it to consider the whole thing a success. However, sure I'd love to see the OP diehards unite and not buy any DVDs ... although I really wonder how much organization is required. The dub is a steaming turd. I'm having difficulty understanding why anyone would actually buy something that bad with their own money. (as in, not mom & dad's money) However, the real problem here is ...
It's virtually impossible to stop a company from doing something with the show after they've gotten the liscense. However, after they've actually dubbed the show, that 1% chance (more like .1%, but ...yeah) is gone. There's no chance. Even if the apocalypse hits, nobody's going to give a damn about some anime, and 4Kids will still have the liscense. The only thing anybody should be spending their time fighting for is for 4Kids to either 1) Stop making stuff that sucks, or 2) Not be allowed to get any decent shows. The One Piece dub is, for all intents and purposes, in the past. So worry about the future if you want, but there's absolutely nothing anybody can do about that rolling boulder.
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Hermit
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Post by Hermit on Jun 18, 2005 16:25:22 GMT -5
Someday I hope the anime companies of Japan realise we're all happy with Subbed stuff. If they started selling their stuff with a decent translation, idiot companies like 4Kids could go die, and the world would be a better place. The sad thing is that, the majority of the audience of english dubs are not hardcore anime fans. They're little kids who'll watch it because its on, and sadly you can't stop that. I myself am still waiting to see how badly Naruto can be butchered.
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Post by Bartman3010 on Jun 18, 2005 16:28:47 GMT -5
No, the sad thing is, if these companies published their shows over here, the import price would make the price of DVDs skyrocket. $100 is bad enough for a DVD set. But say that DBZ box set made it over here. Already the yen conversion states its about $800, now to send it over here, thats another good price.
Plus, I'd rather listen to my shows in English. Big ups to Ocean Group who did Ranma, Inu Yasha and Mega Man X8
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Post by dead on Jun 18, 2005 16:38:20 GMT -5
Didn't DBZ change hands at some point?
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Post by Sofox on Jun 18, 2005 16:40:30 GMT -5
Nice effort Sonique (didn't think you were still going by that alias ), best of luck with that. Incidentally, does anyone know the English region ratings for One Piece are? I mean it's easy to say it's inferior to the Japanese version, but that misses out on whether the dub, on its own, is a good program. One Piece was very popular in Japan and apparently 4Kids paid a lot of money to get it so if they screwed up the dub so badly that even regular television watchers turn off to it, it would flash a serious red light at 4Kids HQ. Of course, you can't say that this would magically transform 4Kids into an Animé respecting company, companies rarely suddenly become better, and more likely, they would become deflect blame and become more conservative, taking less risks and being more unoriginal, but it would at least strike a blow. However this all depends on how well One Piece is doing in the English market so if anyone knows any ratings?..
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Post by Chris on Jun 18, 2005 16:42:33 GMT -5
Someday I hope the anime companies of Japan realise we're all happy with Subbed stuff. Not going to happen. They're are plenty of gun toteing, conservative republican, "If it ain't american, it don't belong here!", nativist's kids who are like they're close minded parents/grandparents, who were like they're parents/grandparents etc. for more generations than we've been alive, who, quite frankly, 4kids exists solely to entertain. They don't care about the original content. They're perfectly fine with the "dumbed down for america" versions. Because they, like most of the populace, have been brain washed into a group of sub-par-IQ having, super commercialists. This thing is bigger than us, it's bigger than any of us can see. the brainwashing comes straight from the top. And if we try to do anything it's; a) going to fail, b) Not going to make much of a difference/impact anyway reverting us to situation a, or c) going to have the person who initially tried to start the change end up like Mel Gibson in Conspiracy Theory. Americans don't like change, and most of the adults (ie. people who work steady jobs and support families) don't give a damn about conserving the original content. Note: If you are a conservative republican, this was not meant to offend you. I have no beef with conservative republicans. In fact, I have them over for dinner quite frequently. We eat they're close minded opinions and outdated over-zealous religious beliefs and fill them up with knowledge of the changeing world, and how that if they would stop being so elitist they could maybe get a few problems solved. Like maybe stop the burning/banning of literature in the south and let the gays marry. For they are not animals but people too.
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Post by Hermit on Jun 18, 2005 16:55:11 GMT -5
Actually Chris I'm British. We're far less hostile Its just a shame that not one Japanese anime company seems to care how badly their stuff is damaged in the crossover. I'd at the very least be looking to have some say in the script and editing. And SZ, you can bet it does end up here in the UK. I don't often get a chance to watch Sky much, but there's never anything worth watching on Toonami here anyways (Just to be confusing, this is the name of Cartoon Networks channel with anime/shows supposedly aimed at older kids. Similar to Adult Swim, I understand).
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Post by Seph on Jun 18, 2005 17:00:01 GMT -5
Sz posted my exact thoughts on the matter. Except for the one that asks what kind of ego it takes to say you'll single-handedly (I'm the girl who'll save One Piece, despite asking for help, that's putting yourself at the forefront) 'save' an anime from corporate hands when your previous attempts to do so with SatAM failed.
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Post by Sz on Jun 18, 2005 17:10:14 GMT -5
Chris: See though, I don't like subbed anime. I like it when media is actually in my native language and I don't have to ignore some of the action to read what the characters are saying in small text at the bottom of the screen.
At the same time, if the voices/scripts suck, there's no enjoyment there at all. In many cases (OP dub), even though the crappy dubbing is in my own language, it's worse than subs anyway, simply due to the cringe-inducement aspect.
PS: You come off as quite overzealous and close-minded yourself, just so you know. Though it's probably for the best if we stay away from politics in an ... anime dubbing discussion. (...the hell?)
Jackel: I don't think the DBZ license (aside: It appears I've spelled license wrong about 80 times in this topic already. Oops.) ever actually changed hands, just the voice acting/translating talent pretty much switched over to an entirely different group... I know Funi split off too, maybe somebody can explain it a little better (I'm confused too. ;>)
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Post by Chris on Jun 18, 2005 17:19:08 GMT -5
I posted that as a joke aimed at the government. (Read the overall message of the topic)
But I agree, if the sub is good I'll watch it, as in the case of any Sunrise animation. But this comes from a guy who watched AMERICAN television shows with the sub titles on. So I can't really complain haveing to read and missing action.
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Post by Kulock on Jun 18, 2005 17:36:00 GMT -5
That damages the very thing you're trying to achieve. It's unexpected to begin with that they'll actually sell an uncut version, because people want it so badly... Hurting the sales of it will just reenforce to them, "Oh, it's not profitable to bother with uncut DVD releases, just sell the normal cut ones, then!" Supporting the DVDs _is_ a way to make it known that the buying market wants the show uncut. DBZ fans complained about the cuts and bought the uncut DVDs when they were released, now Cartoon Network is airing uncut (or probably as close as they can manage) DBZ episodes. If people hadn't bought the uncut DVDs in such high numbers, they wouldn't have bothered.
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Post by Chris on Jun 18, 2005 17:48:42 GMT -5
TV= BABY SITTER OF THE FU-CHA!
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Post by Merry Smindmas on Jun 18, 2005 17:49:42 GMT -5
Jackel: I don't think the DBZ license (aside: It appears I've spelled license wrong about 80 times in this topic already. Oops.) ever actually changed hands, just the voice acting/translating talent pretty much switched over to an entirely different group... I know Funi split off too, maybe somebody can explain it a little better (I'm confused too. ;>) I believe that the people handling DBZ got switched to a different group here in the UK just before the Majin Buu saga or something, whilst Funi kept doing it in the US. That's why we got the saga like a month before you guys.
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Post by A Notebook on Jun 18, 2005 19:59:23 GMT -5
Okay, the last thing the internet needs is a comparison between anime dubs and American politics.
That said, Sz and Ku are right. It's impossible to stop 4Kids [unless someone does something really drastic and stupid and illegal] and boycotting uncut One Piece DVDs will only make 4Kids think that no one is interested in the uncuts and stuff. So really it's a lose-lose situation. So one can only hope 4Kids suddenly goes into bankrupt mode and all their anime will go to different, better companies and everyone can stop whining about 4Kids once and for all, overall making the world a better place for future generations.
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Post by dead on Jun 18, 2005 20:57:17 GMT -5
Who knows, maybe if we're lucky we'll get uncut one piece airing alongside uncut dbz someday.....with Moltar hosting. *sigh*
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