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Post by Epon on Oct 31, 2005 15:31:31 GMT -5
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Post by Sz on Oct 31, 2005 16:41:47 GMT -5
"Hey guys. Instead of adding a new feature to our football game, lets take advantage of our monopoly via license and try to pawn it off as a totally new game!"
I'm crossing my fingers that Take2's fanbase-centric football game will be a viable alternative.
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Post by Epon on Nov 1, 2005 13:33:15 GMT -5
They released a million new features in 06, what the fuck are you talking about? Superstar mode, truckstick, qb vision cone, precession passing, quick playmakers, quick defensive coverage... i can list like ten more things...
I'm sorry that I didnt post a thread about anime, Final Fantasy 57, or something you found on SlashDot.
They make a solid product. The prices didn't go up. I enjoy the new features. I would be willing to bet that if you were to ask anyone who plays the game, no matter what platform, they would agree with me. Not bad for a game that's been out since the 1980's.
Oh, and by the way, no one wants to play shit without the real players. Who cares if they have a monopoly, it's a great product. The only game that was decent was NFL 2K for dreamcast back in the day and THAT did well.
Sometimes I get the feeling that the majority of you just read IGN shit and automatically assume what you like before you actually PLAY the game other than at a WalMart booth.
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Post by sanius on Nov 1, 2005 13:37:03 GMT -5
Are you really expecting people to care about football game (year) on a forum that was started over an anime? Edit: Also, I don't care about final fantasy or anime, and I have no interest in this game.
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Post by Blues on Nov 1, 2005 13:47:20 GMT -5
This wont end well.
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Post by Epon on Nov 1, 2005 13:51:18 GMT -5
It would end perfectly well if people didn't talk out of their ass without knowing the facts. That's like me saying something about a series that I've never played before! Imagine the blasphomy that would take place if I turned around and said "Hah square has a monopoly on the RPG buisness cuz they charge a lot and CLOUD ZOMG!" and then followed it up with "D00d FF doesn't have anything new they keep coming out with enw games tho it sucks!"
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Post by Sz on Nov 1, 2005 15:42:53 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I should just chastize you, or actually respond, but:
Don't go to Slashdot, don't like the Final Fantasy series. I do admire your impressive ability to jump to conclusions, though.
Early '90s I think. Tecmo Bowl was the late 80s (additionally, Tecmo Super Bowl was epic)
Regardless, a game's history has nothing to do with whether I'm going to like or dislike it now. That's kinda silly. I'm especially not going to keep buying said game just because it used to be good at some vague time in the past.
Oh wait, I think I see 3D pong on sale for $50! Better snap that one up before the rush comes...
NFL2K4 (ESPN NFL football or whatever they called it) was better than Madden 2004. This isn't even questionable, to the point where if you disagree, I can't respect your opinion on football games at all, ever. It wasn't even close. Madden closed the gap quite a bit with 2005, and Take2 slipped up a bit (to the point where they're about even), but I'll still take 2K5 over Madden '05.
As for no one playing a game without real players... yes. That's the problem. It's only a problem out of the box though, as this is Take2, not some idiotic company that doesn't know what they're doing... They'll release tools to edit players, rosters, uniforms and the like, so everything will be customizable by the fanbase, and pretty quick you'll have an NFL game, a college football game, your NFL classic teams, etc, all wrapped in one. There are still a lot of hurdles to pull that off, but if there's a fanbase with enough latent rage to pull it off, it's the 2K fanbase. So we'll see.
Haven't gone to IGN for something like 2 years. Not to mention that one person replied and you jumped into "the majority of you just read IGN shit". Huh? Even if I read "IGN shit", which I don't, quite clearly I wouldn't be a very good measure of what the majority of the people at the MB think. Certainly 1 is a bit small for a sample size!
You're right. So much so that I recommend you actually follow your own advice.
Anyway, now to clarify my initial thoughts, and your response:
The majority of the Madden updates were minor tweaks disguising themselves as new ideas. The passing vision thing is cool, but the Superstar mode has been done before, and was more of a "oh good, they finally put that in" than a fantastic new feature.
However, I wasn't even talking about Madden. I was actually impressed with what they did with that game, as I was expecting them to become immediately lazy with the franchise once they didn't have to compete with a equal product (granted, the only real worry was that casual sports gamers such as yourself would realize "hey, this Take2 game is pretty good". Well done by EA to head off that before it got too out of control)... anyway, Madden 2006 was plenty nice. I never said it wasn't.
The game I was talking about was the one mentioned in the topic. Geez.
The strategic side of the NFL is something people (well, I can't be the only one, I would think!) have wanted for years, but to box it as a seperate game... is absolutely absurd. It's like making a realistic racing game, and then making a seperate "design your own car" (super indepth, etc) game for the car geeks... where you can't drive the car. WTF?
That's what prompted my comment. It's not a "wow, that's totally cool!" idea. It's a "wow, that's totally dumb!" one. They could just expand the "coach mode" idea into this, and they instead choose to just make it a seperate game.
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Post by Epon on Nov 1, 2005 17:34:26 GMT -5
That's been an option in every football game since like... 1999... And to say that Madden was lacking new stuff until this year where they just "tweaked it up"... how can you say that? What about the play creator? The fan creator? The ability to download live rosters via the web? You can even host your creations online now via the EA Sports thingy (atleast the PS2 version can, I dunno about XBox and I can care less about GCN because that's Nintendo's own fault).
BTW, Madden was released in 1989, but delayed for two years, thus 1980's.
As for "ESPN NFL Football 2K4", I'm not saying it was bad, not at all. But considering Madden 03 revolutionized the entire field and stepped things up a notch with the EA Trax, new play calling, and just everything all around, I put my money to Madden04 that year. And it was well worth it. NFL had what.... gimmick First Person helmet camera? Lame. Sorry. ESPN overlays? So. The game itself just was... blah to me. I liked 04 much better. Hillariously enough, I did not enjoy 05 at all. I actually sold the disk because I liked the older games better (and I was into NCAA at the time too).
And I just lost my train of thought. I guess I turned it into an opinion argument before anything. Sorry for exploding. FYI, the quips weren't directed at you, but rather the entire fanbase of this message board. I found it hillarious that this post recieved like 100 views, but not a comment; but if someone talks about some new harddrive that came out, it's swarmed with replies. Again, directed at everyone, not you.
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Post by Epon on Nov 1, 2005 17:37:00 GMT -5
*phew*
FireFox crashed on me as I posted this, I woulda been pissed
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Post by drak on Nov 1, 2005 18:30:23 GMT -5
boy epon you're my hero. generalizing an entire community based on one person's opinion is the WAY 2 B!!! especially that final fantasy 57 remark, OH MAN! and don't get me started on those hard drives!!
Anyway, the concept of a sports RTS is... interesting. But then again, first image that comes to mind is like, Age of Empires 3 with football players. Tackling eachother off breathtaking cliffs and stuff. Which is obviously not what this is. BUT I CAN DREAM
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Post by Neo on Nov 1, 2005 18:43:19 GMT -5
haha, that would be awesome. FANTASY FOOTBALL IN THE 12 CENTURY
samurai linebacker
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Post by dead on Nov 1, 2005 18:47:52 GMT -5
Oh, and by the way, no one wants to play shit without the real players. Actually, I'd prefer custom player creation to using real people any day of the week. Sometimes I get the feeling that the majority of you just read IGN shit and automatically assume what you like before you actually PLAY the game other than at a WalMart booth. IGN is shit. (I do hate it when a franchise barely changes with sequels though) Part of the reason hardcore nerds shun sports titles, I'd guess, is that once you've made a perfect recreation of the sport, you can't really get quite as much mileage out of a sequel as you would say...a Mario game. Since there aren't levels you aren't able to quite create brand new challenges for the player with new games in the series. I disliked a good deal of FFX2 partly because of it's blatant reuse of old enemies and levels, as well. (so don't call me biased) With games where developers have to build an entirely new world each game, the sequels end up feeling quite fresh from the last game. You can compare Jak2 to Jak3 to see this. When you eventually RETURN to Haven City in 3, it's changed so much from the war between the citizens, crimson knights, and metal heads that it's like a completely different place now. Nothing has been reused, even though it's the same world. However, with sports titles you aren't really able to create the same kind of fresh atmosphere that you can with other genres. Most sequels are comparable to a port or remake in the sense that it's the same basic game with new features and characters. (Kinda like how Irregular Hunter X is just a 3D version of Megaman X1 with new playable characters and modes) With this, you do eventually end up running stale if it is done too many times, as buying the next year's game just feels pointless when you have this year's game already.
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Post by Epon on Nov 1, 2005 19:06:02 GMT -5
They have that. Since like oldschool football games. No matter what the genre or company.
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Post by sanius on Nov 1, 2005 19:07:59 GMT -5
Oh, and by the way, no one wants to play shit without the real players. Actually, I'd prefer custom player creation to using real people any day of the week. Sometimes I get the feeling that the majority of you just read IGN shit and automatically assume what you like before you actually PLAY the game other than at a WalMart booth. IGN is shit. (I do hate it when a franchise barely changes with sequels though) Whats so bad about IGN? Or are you just following what the majority of the internet thinks?
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Post by drak on Nov 1, 2005 19:15:32 GMT -5
They have that. Since like oldschool football games. No matter what the genre or company. I think the point he's making is that not everyone agrees with the "Oh, and by the way, no one wants to play shit without the real players." thing.
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Post by sanius on Nov 1, 2005 19:16:39 GMT -5
They have that. Since like oldschool football games. No matter what the genre or company. I think the point he's making is that not everyone agrees with the "Oh, and by the way, no one wants to play shit without the real players." thing. Yeah, this is where quotes come in handy.
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Post by dead on Nov 1, 2005 19:27:39 GMT -5
Whats so bad about IGN? Or are you just following what the majority of the internet thinks? They sold out. I USED to like them, it was even the first internet community I ever joined (message boards lol) but when they started charging money for half thier content I just said fuck it.
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Post by sanius on Nov 1, 2005 19:28:41 GMT -5
Whats so bad about IGN? Or are you just following what the majority of the internet thinks? They sold out. I USED to like them, it was even the first internet community I ever joined (message boards lol) but when they started charging money for half thier content I just said fuck it. So? IGN is a business. They SHOULD charge money for services. Gamespot does this, gamershell, filefront, fileshack, 3DGamers. Must I go on?
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Post by dead on Nov 1, 2005 19:29:09 GMT -5
Penny Arcade doesn't, and it's one of the better places to find information about upcomming games, whether it be newsposts or forums.
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Post by sanius on Nov 1, 2005 19:30:10 GMT -5
Penny-Arcade doesn't host hundres of gigabytes of data and put it up for download.
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