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Post by Night the SR on Nov 25, 2006 11:11:18 GMT -5
Check it out.That's right, finally ViR has started. ViR is a fantasy series that Cinos Hedgean and I have been planning for years. We're not sure how long we're gonna go with it. Could be years (which it most likely will). The story of it's creation dates back to April 2003. Cinos came up to me and said he wanted to make a webcomic to replace Sonic Hai. All he gave me was Ami, a character he created, and a school. About an hour later, I thought up the crapfest of Ryuuko X. Ryuuko X took place in what we thought was a fictional city of Tokai (we were wrong when we bothered to look it up) dealing with a feud between two dojos. The stars were Ami Kyara, a video game fanatic and Kaoru Nyanya, a serious martial artist. It was more or less a ripoff of Ranma 1/2, which was a favorite of mine at the time. Cursed with bad art and even more horrible writing, Ryuuko X was quickily abandoned. We attempted a ninja series which I think was called The Sealers. I don't even remember what the story was because we went nowhere with it. Quickily afterward, we began what was to become ViR. It was shortly after I finally played Ocarina of Time, saw Slayers (which Cinos was telling me to watch) and The Return of the King. So I was in a state of being hit with multiple fantasy stories. We decided on starting a fantasy story almost 3 years ago. There's an older comic we did of it, but that's been lost forever. Two animations were made for the project. The first is a flash film based off one of the horrible first drafts when it was called Seigi no Honoo (Fires of Justice). The second, a story of female empowerment done to appease Cinos' animation teacher. An attempt at a game in MMF was also made. If you want to see the flash, that was created by Cinos to generally poke fun at all the holes in the script click here, be warned it features sickmen and a scary voice. The reason why it's taken so long to release is that I've thought of so many possible storylines and thoroughly scrapped them quickly. Earlier this year, we finally became satisfied with the story we've made and started producing the comic with the name ViR (from a latin word meaning worthiness and hero), which is also the name of the world and it's meaning follows the central theme of the series. I'd rather not reveal too much about the story since, well, I want alot of it to be a suprise. So with that, let ViR begin!
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Post by Kulock on Nov 25, 2006 12:10:01 GMT -5
A little hard to follow for these first two pages, but I'll definitely give it a watch. And no doubt it's going to look good, coming from you two.
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Post by diablohead on Nov 28, 2006 21:21:27 GMT -5
I'm with Kulock, very hard to follow whats going on and I can't tell if you intend someone to read the page right to left or left to right because theres no clear start on each page.
And not to sound bad, but spend a little longer fixing small simple mistakes like body shapes and the comic will look 200% nicer in presentation.
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Post by Night the SR on Nov 28, 2006 22:11:39 GMT -5
It's traditional american. So you read left to right.
EDIT: I'm tired. XD
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Post by SpadeRunner Cin on Dec 1, 2006 8:18:03 GMT -5
Yes, the comic is read Left to Right, and I do have to agree with you Diablo. The comic has been in production for awhile, and recently Uni has been keeping me away from it, so long that Night's gotten more and more annoyed at me for not uploading it or finishing it. So I decided what the heck, let it roll, it does get better as it goes, and I'll probably be going back over the first few and redoing them eventually when I get time.
The 3rd page is up, but its a rather boring splash page, give it time >_>
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Post by Sz on Dec 6, 2006 2:40:55 GMT -5
First impression: Need more panels, or just better transitions, I really can't tell what the eff is going on without reading the dialogue. Which is really ... not good. A comic really needs the images to speak for the actions all on their own.
Apart from that key flaw, the other stuff seems in order.
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Post by merku on Dec 8, 2006 9:16:20 GMT -5
The artwork is very nice, the comic is pretty funny at times through it does seem like its going fast. I’ll keep my eye on this anyway *bookmarks*
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Post by diablohead on Dec 12, 2006 21:59:43 GMT -5
This is weekly right? Mind if I ask in a kind way how long each page takes to prepare?
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Post by SpadeRunner Cin on Dec 14, 2006 18:50:36 GMT -5
The comic planned at the moment to update Monday and Friday each week, at least up until midway into this chapter.
Now here comes the honest summary of whats really going on.
University, this is the main reason for the rushed release of this, now this comic is not completely for uni, far from it, I'm currently using the comic as a storyboard for an animation I'm creating. It's going to comprise of the first half of the chapter right up until what I have completed of the comic so far. As it's an animation I need some help with voices and (veryunlikely)music for the piece. So I thought insted of just throwing the story at people why not start releasing the comic earlier than planned and start rounding up volenteers once it had got to the point I needed, so everyone could know whats going on, that and Night has been getting annoyed at me due to me doing uni work and ignoring the project.
Now then on to Diablo's proper question, the pages you see and up to number 12, were created between the 20th of July and the 24th of August, work wasn't done constantly during that time but it had alot of my attention, I can't tall you exactly how long each took, but from guesswork and the filenames it seems that the first page took 3 days to plan and complete, how much work was actually done on each day is anyones guess however.
Since August however my life has been smacked in the face with a annoyance called 3D, sure I've just finished an animation that would have taken me about a month longer to do in 2D but its still a pain in the neck. However once the rendering is complete tomorrow I can get back to work and properly start animating the comic. There is another thing standing in my way however, I have another project, however this one may be a bit familiar, it's yet another comic project and due to the fact I'm already using the ViR storyline for an animation I was forced to come up with something new, meaning I'm stuck with 3 projects going at once again, and come February we can add another two.
Now much like your other topic Diablo the second comic is going to be going towards a portfolio and as such is getting a lot more attention, come summer it's hopefully going to get published in some way along with a possibly updated version of ViR and put up on show/sale at an arts show in Glasgow hosted by my Uni for industry folk to look at, much like the ViR animation is going to be put on show at the Glasgow Science Center for the same guests.
Finally the comments about it going too fast, are we throwing the story at you too fast or am I not showing enough residual movement? The first page for example, Timmy moans to him self in the first two panels, is shocked to hear a scream, turns and confronts the attacker, I've probably been staring at it for too long but it seems alright flowing wise, the second page however I will give you that, your right there, when I originally drew it, it seemed a lot better but that running past him frame is really horrible and hard to tell whats going on, same with the frame after. Completely unintentional but I think it slows down a lot from page 6 onwards, I think...
So just to go over it, comic was rushed, making animation, need voices, takes about 3 days a comic(?), and I too am in essence planning exactly what Diablo is planning, isn't that a strange coincidence.
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Post by diablohead on Dec 14, 2006 21:07:46 GMT -5
I'm all for webcomics but I always find them slow, one page a day. megatokyo is just that plus shit an inch thick on top.
So are the pages getting redraw at some point? hard to totaly work out by your post.
*edit* Reread your first reply and you are, ok.
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