A complaint about TP complaints. *spoilers*

[Evan]

And I mean big spoilers. I'm only on dungeon 7 but I've seen the ending already and know what happens with the plot.

I'm mostly regarding the plot complaints. Those bother me the most.

IT'S NOT FRESH ENOUGH AND GANONDORF WAS THROWN IN FOR THE SAKE OF BEING THERE. AND IT FEELS SO MUCH LIKE A MIDNA GAME BUT YOU PLAY AS LINK.

Those complaints, mainly.




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Anyway, like. The whole point of the game was to feel like Link was unimportant and Ganondorf seemed like he was supposed to be out of place. Before I got the game, I was all "this makes no sense how can there be a Link in between OoT/MM and WW when Wind Waker's whole story was based on the fact that a hero never came around to beat Ganondorf! I suppose it could fit that there was a Link inbetween who got somehow unexplained but this seems plothole filled." This was before I found out that Link to the Past was supposed to be after OoT, too. I haven't played LTTP though so, um, I can't account for that. But here is my opinion on Twilight Princess fitting into this crap!

It makes perfect sense that there was no account of the TP Link existing because no one was aware there was any trouble at all. As a Goron says at the top of that observation tower, the silly barrier of death around Hyrule Castle was a "secret to everyone". No one was even aware they were CONSUMED BY TWILIGHT. The only thing they noticed was that Zelda hadn't shown her face. Those dudes in the bar going all "WE MUST SAVE HYRULE!!!!!!!" were probably all thought of as just nutjobs. Everyone felt there was something wrong, but no one actually noticed any immediate danger, whereas OoT's events were clear and everyone was aware of Link being the hero who saved everyone's ass. In this, Link garnered no real attention. So no one would really, like, remember this enough that it'd carry down to Wind Waker, where even the legend of OoT was pretty forgotten.

And Ganondorf, I felt, didn't feel "randomly thrown in". It's pretty much explained that the sages were all "omg we're gonna execute Ganondorf for being a bad man" and Ganondorf was all "NO WAY I AM THE POWERFULEST POWER MAN EVER" and killed a sage, they were all "oh crap we can't kill him we gotta throw him where the gods put those shitty magicians that one time" and then he justs sits around all "". Then he finds out about Zant, who is all "GRR I AM SUPPOSED TO BE KING. AND I JUST CAN'T WAIT TO BE KIIIIING" and was all "hi dude here's some power go take over and let me get out of here". That doesn't feel randomly thrown in. Well, maybe they put him in for the sake of putting him in, but they put some thought into his placement in the story. That doesn't feel "thrown in". The basic explanation of what they did to him was put in way before you see him in person, anyway, so I don't feel like it was an afterthought.

Besides...Ganondorf is the embodiment of power. With everyone going all "WE NEED A NEW VILLAIN IN ZELDA LOL" I am annoyed because Ganondorf is...the King of Evil. It would be stupid to have some "Link and Ganondorf team up to fight a greater evil" because nothing can be more evil than Ganondorf. That's how it works. IF YOU ASK ME.

And I fail to see how it is more Midna's story than Link's. She has had a decent effect on the story, I'll definitely say, and she is definitely a major character, but you are...Link. The story is about him doing shit for an imp thing who rides on his back and wears a funny hat, not about the imp thing asking some kid to do shit for him while she rides on his back and wears a funny hat.

Any other complaint about TP is fair, but the story is decent. Not the best story ever but the complaints I addressed seem ridiculous.

Also EVAN HATE MALO MART MUSIC. ooh la la ooh la la ooh la la la la la la la

[Sauko]

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Okay, I have a few thoughts about Twilight Princess.


Well, when I first played the game, I thought for sure that it was actually a PREQUEL to OoT, and you were playing as Link's father. This was disproven when you first get the green tunic, and the God of the Spring says "This is the same type of tunic that a Hero long ago wore."

Also, it's really annoying how the final battle with Zant turned out. Near the beginning, he was such a badass. He was all "Surrender now, or suffer my wrath." Then he takes off his mask, and all of a sudden, he's jumping around and making squeaking noises. What the hell is up with that?

Something to ponder: Do you remember the skeleton guy that gives you the hidden powers? When you get the last one, he says "The life of a hero suited me." Could he be the link from OoT?

[Evan]

I heard about Zant and thought it was kind of funny. Suits him, too--he makes himself seem all grand and powerful but he is really just a coward. lol symbolism

I thought the same thing about the Hero's Spirit, too. He says stuff about "ONLY PEOPLE IN MY BLOODLINE CAN LEARN THESE MOVES" and in OoT, the gossip stones say that if you get lost in the Lost Woods, you become a Stalfos. What did THE HERO OF TIME do in Majora's Mask? Get lost in the Lost Woods. (Maybe he was just envisioning Termina or something.)

[NeroKid]

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[Artemus]

Evan, that had to be the best summary of TP's plot I've ever seen.

Also, your logic makes sense. !!!

[王泥喜]

Ganondorf, thrown in?

Dude, it's a ZELDA game. Very FEW Zelda games got away with NOT having Ganon in some form or another.

Playing through TP, it seemed quite apparent that Ganon was messing around with the world ever since Zant said a "God" gave him his power. This was just BARELY midway into the game.

Whoever says Ganon was just "Thrown in" has obviously NEVER played StarFox Adventures. Can anyone say "ANDROSS OUT OF LEFT FIELD?"

[Evan]

And it bugs me, too, since there's so many people saying that that they're definitely going to make some "OH NOES MORE THREATENING THAN GANONDORF" character in the next one. He always needs to be the one secretly pulling the strings somehow, because that's just how it works in Zelda games. Simple as that.

I really just can't see how him being there makes no sense. Maybe people just have no idea what subtlety is? That was the whole thing with TP, like I said. Nothing was obvious

[Evan]

Also, hah. Get that fat lady to tell you your fortune and read her magic words backwards. HOW SUBTLE

[Sauko]

The sages' faces are floating in front of them, why is that?

Also: I liked the "Time Travel" thing in the Sacred Grove. The room with the Master Sword is almost identical to the one in OoT.

[Evan]

The music is exactly the same thing as it is in the Temple of Time in OoT, too.

[Artemus]

BTW wheres Vaati lol

You know that's what they're doing. Now that we have Zant, they're going to release a game with a whole trinity of evil deal with all three of them.

[Sauko]

Yeah, Rockstar Games will make it, so you'll get to be the villain, and it'll be called "Unholy Triforce" or something.

[Evan]

Vaati was cool mangs

Although I am pretty sure Ganon was pulling his strings or something in Four Swords Adventures. Never played that though.

He also had crap to do with the Oracle games where he was the bad guy in the galactic continental jet running things. (lol in this world) THOUGH I NEVER PLAYED THOSE EITHER

[J]

Umm... Maybe he was in Four Swords, but not Minnish Cap.