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[Robert]

... have forever impaired my ability to read comics.

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... have forever impaired my ability to read comics. Okay, I understand the noble effort of no longer mirroring everything for the sake of preserving the original artist's intent and all that. But now I can't read any comic -- whether or not I consciously know its of English or Japanese origin -- without "testing" it to see if the speech bubbles are in right-to-left or left-to-right order. And even after determining it, I still get confused most of the time. It can be very frustrating.

[Zebrasputnik]

Well, unmirrored manga have indications about the reading order on the last page, haven't they? You can just check that ^^U

[Seph]

I hate unmirrored manga. I think it's horrid-- I'm ENGLISH, and I read in ENGLISH. Localization means something is at least made to where I can read it; from my understanding, the entire thing was birthed from rampaging purists after 4Kids' attempts at localization.

Folks, there's a difference between making something readable and local and butchering it. Mirroring it so that native English speakers can comfortably read it is not butchering it!

[J]

Man, I'd hate to see you try and read something in a different language. It must be like setting your brain on fire, judging from this.

Wuss.

[Keith Stack]

seph said:

I hate unmirrored manga. I think it's horrid-- I'm ENGLISH, and I read in ENGLISH. Localization means something is at least made to where I can read it; from my understanding, the entire thing was birthed from rampaging purists after 4Kids' attempts at localization.

Folks, there's a difference between making something readable and local and butchering it. Mirroring it so that native English speakers can comfortably read it is not butchering it!

I agree with this man completely.

[Zebrasputnik]

keithgivesup said:

seph said:

I hate unmirrored manga. I think it's horrid-- I'm ENGLISH, and I read in ENGLISH. Localization means something is at least made to where I can read it; from my understanding, the entire thing was birthed from rampaging purists after 4Kids' attempts at localization.

Folks, there's a difference between making something readable and local and butchering it. Mirroring it so that native English speakers can comfortably read it is not butchering it!

I agree with this man completely.

I don't
(although perhaps it's only because it doesn't seem to be anything new here and I'm used to it since I started to read manga...)

[Seph]

nomuru2d said:

Man, I'd hate to see you try and read something in a different language. It must be like setting your brain on fire, judging from this.

Wuss.

Hey, if I'm trying to read a different language? Guess what? I'll conform to their rules! Notice how I said, uh, localization?

When you assume, you make an ass out of yourself and only yourself.

[GagaMan]

"Read it in English, but the Japanese way! In ENGLISH, BACKWARDS!"

=D

[Jolly Joes]

seph said:

Folks, there's a difference between making something readable and local and butchering it. Mirroring it so that native English speakers can comfortably read it is not butchering it!

Except by flipping the pages the artwork flaws shows up, and several manga artists complained about this. Also by flipping it, the orginal English lettering the artists did on say signs and T-shirts are mirrored themselves. And then there is the odd little thing of Japanese drivers dring on the right side of the road instead of the usual left. =D

Anyway, if you can't get used to or adjust to reading it in its original format, then I suggest not getting into manga at all since there is hardly any manga left today that is flipped.

*shrugs* I don't have any problem reading from left-to-right or right-to-left. I guess, I just read a lot of comics from North America and Japan. Not to many BDs though as they hardly have any at the library. Too bad, as I am quite interested in what Asterix is all about.

[Seph]

Anyway, if you can't get used to or adjust to reading it in its original format, then I suggest not getting into manga at all since there is hardly any manga left today that is flipped.

I realize this, hence why I am so sore on the subject. I almost bought Excel Saga manga... until I realized it was flipped. That's bullshit.

[Robert]

jollyjoes said:

And then there is the odd little thing of Japanese drivers dring on the right side of the road instead of the usual left. =D

I've had a "Homer" moments when I look at a photo of a vehicle driving in Japan; Irfanview provides a quick horizontal flip at the touch of "H", and I have spent a few idle moments going "Japan... America... Japan... America..."

[Jolly Joes]

I hate unmirrored manga. I think it's horrid-- I'm ENGLISH, and I read in ENGLISH. Localization means something is at least made to where I can read it; from my understanding, the entire thing was birthed from rampaging purists after 4Kids' attempts at localization.

Unflipped manga was before the hate brigade against 4Kids.

Also, I believe American comics in Japan is not flipped to their usual manga format. Not to mention manga translation in other countries where the comics are read from left-to-right are are unflipped.

seph said:

Anyway, if you can't get used to or adjust to reading it in its original format, then I suggest not getting into manga at all since there is hardly any manga left today that is flipped.

I realize this, hence why I am so sore on the subject. I almost bought Excel Saga manga... until I realized it was flipped. That's bullshit.

I'm going to assume you mean unflipped.

Too bad, you are probably missing out on great stories that are heads above their anime versions in terms of storyline and art. I'm talking about series that started out as manga and then became anime due to popularity.

Ah well.

[Seph]

I realize that. But I refuse to learn to read my own language backwards, due to the original reason this topic was even started.

[Admin]

There's not much to "learn" about it, really. It comes pretty naturally after a few pages or so.
At least, it did for me.

[Jolly Joes]

seph said:

I realize that. But I refuse to learn to read my own language backwards, due to the original reason this topic was even started.

You are not actually reading your language backwords as the syntax is still left-to-right. You are just reading the panel and in some cases the balloons from right-to-left.

But reading comic panels period, doesn't come natural for people. The just learn which order to read the comics--this goes for both Western and Eastern comics.

[A Notebook]

You know... I could never read any comic right. Western or Eastern.

[Sz]

I'd agreed with your stance initially, Seph, but I've read so damn much of the stuff at this point that it's easy for me to go either way.

[NeroKid]

my only
issue with
translations
is poorly
wrapped
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at does-
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t fit the bubbles.

Luckily, to make manga accessible to most manga fans, this isn't a problem because the translators know they should only use small words
*brick'd*

Although I would imagine in modern translation, the translation is made from the "master" prior to the text bubbles being added in. I don't know if anybody does this!

Personally I prefer flipped manga because the motion of the eyes across the text is consistent with the motion of my eyes across the page, so there's a consistent 'flow'. This is important!

...luckily, because of plot decompression, it's not like manga storylines move at the speed where a flow is necessary
*re-brick'd*

[kyon]

Honestly, I don't see the problem with unmirrored manga. You get used to it in time.

jollyjoes said:

Too bad, you are probably missing out on great stories that are heads above their anime versions in terms of storyline and art. I'm talking about series that started out as manga and then became anime due to popularity.

Ah well.

My opinion's already spoken for, it seems.

[Piers]

X/Y-character is staring. But staring how? This staring!

"..."