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Post by Keith T. Hemari on Nov 17, 2005 17:32:47 GMT -5
This has happened twice now and I think it may be something serious, although it may not. Twice, while I was playing Morrowind, the screen suddenly went blank then popped up with a blue screen saying: A problem has been detected and windows has been shut down to prevent damage to your computer.
Driver_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL
If this is the first time you've seen this stop error, restart you computer, if this screen appears again, take the following steps:It goes on to list the usual 'make sure everything is installed right and all the drivers are updated' and if not remove any newly installed hardware or software, disable bios options memory options such as caching or shadowing and try again. then it gives technical information: Stop: 0x00000001 (0xF8B553FC, 0x00000002, 0x00000000, 0xF772EF0E)the rest is cut off because the blue screen is not properly aligned, it's too low. Thing is, I haven't installed anything new really.. a couple mods for Morrowind.. but while Morrowind has crashed on me a few times, it never caused a 'blue screen of death'. Until now, twice. Right now, I'm running in Linux. Thing is though.. this has only happened twice and both times in the same program.. I wonder if it's Morrowind causing the error and not an actual hardware problem... anyway.. opinions? Other than 'Windows sucks'  |
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Post by Squiggles the Chao on Nov 17, 2005 17:54:05 GMT -5
Go into the hardware manager in Windows and see if you can determine which device(s) is (are) using IRQ2. Most likely, this is a problem with that device or its driver. Since It's Morrowind, I'm willing to bet it's the graphics card or its driver.
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Post by BlazeHedgehod on Nov 17, 2005 18:06:33 GMT -5
Squiggles will undoubtedly be more helpful on this matter, but I do know that my shitty onboard video "card" (Intel i815) would often "overload" (I dunno if it would be possible for it to overheat) and would spontaneously reboot windows every now and then on games that were very visually intense (Grand Theft Auto 3, a few maps on Quake 3 - basically anything that consistently ran below 10fps for more than 15 minutes).
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Post by Keith T. Hemari on Nov 17, 2005 19:35:12 GMT -5
Go into the hardware manager in Windows and see if you can determine which device(s) is (are) using IRQ2. Most likely, this is a problem with that device or its driver. Since It's Morrowind, I'm willing to bet it's the graphics card or its driver. Ok, I got the device manager to list the Resources By Connection and then looked under the IRQ tree.. but nothing was shown with a 2 next to it:  That's what it showed me. I also checked on my video card. It's listed at 21. Windows also claims that it's working properly (whatever that means).. although I haven't updated the drivers since I got Myst IV (needed updates to work). I should do that anyway. I have a thought though.. could it be my audio card? It's shown at 17, but this happened just shortly after I enabled Hardware Accelerated Mode for audio on Morrowind, something that, by default was not active. In case, I have already deactivated the Hardware Acceleration Mode. Blaze might have something though. This program is very graphics intensive and my card (an ATI Radion 9200 series) seems only JUST suitable for this sort of stuff.. thing is though.. why it should only just now start giving me problems... Maybe too many mods that add stuff XD |
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Post by midopa on Nov 17, 2005 19:36:43 GMT -5
Nah. With Morrowind, even the most souped out computers sputter along. |
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Post by Squiggles the Chao on Nov 17, 2005 21:09:39 GMT -5
Well, after a bit of research, I found that IRQ 2 links to IRQ 9. Therefore, the device that is not functioning correctly is the ACPI, or Advanced Configuration and Power Interface, which regulates power to the different devices in your machine. Unfortunately, this could mean that any device is the problem, as well as the power-management circuitry itself. However, when playing Marrowind, perhaps you're sucking too much power for your power supply. I'd try toning down the settings, and see if your computer can handle that.
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Post by Keith T. Hemari on Nov 17, 2005 21:37:02 GMT -5
Well, after a bit of research, I found that IRQ 2 links to IRQ 9. Therefore, the device that is not functioning correctly is the ACPI, or Advanced Configuration and Power Interface, which regulates power to the different devices in your machine. Unfortunately, this could mean that any device is the problem, as well as the power-management circuitry itself. However, when playing Marrowind, perhaps you're sucking too much power for your power supply. I'd try toning down the settings, and see if your computer can handle that. Ahh, there's a point. I had bumped up the resolution to try for a screen shot and since the program still ran reasonably well I left it like that.. perhaps that put it over the edge. However, if the power-management circuitry is the problem.. does this spell doom for my computer? I suppose it would depend on the specific specs of my computer. |
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Post by Squiggles the Chao on Nov 17, 2005 22:44:15 GMT -5
Well let me just say that the ACPI incorporates the system busses, so yeah, if it is physically damaged, and it gets worse...
The increased resolution would only be a problem if Marrowind doesn't change it to something lower during gameplay. Seriously, just try to run things a little lower: resolution, sound settings, framerate, etc.
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Post by Keith T. Hemari on Nov 17, 2005 23:28:04 GMT -5
Well let me just say that the ACPI incorporates the system busses, so yeah, if it is physically damaged, and it gets worse... The increased resolution would only be a problem if Marrowind doesn't change it to something lower during gameplay. Seriously, just try to run things a little lower: resolution, sound settings, framerate, etc. Saa, that's what I meant. I upped the games running resolution. From 800x600 to 1150x864 (my windows desktop setting) for a screen shot to use as wall paper. But anyway, yeah I've dropped the settings for all the options I have. Game runs noticeably smoother, which is no surprise, and so far no problem. But the two events were at least twenty four hours apart, so there's still time. If it should happen again, I'll mention it. I'm kinda curious about this now, though.. what exactly would cause the card to draw too much power? I never realized that a particular part of the computer might draw more or less energy, although I guess it makes perfect sense.. just like a fan at high speed uses more electricity than it does at lower speed. Hmm.. would the card itself be to blame or the computer? I was pondering getting a new (read: more powerful) graphics card for my computer come tax time, but if the card, handling more data (which, I guess means it would use more energy) would cause this problem to occur more often then I might want to invest in a more able computer. |
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Post by midopa on Nov 17, 2005 23:29:30 GMT -5
Maybe a stronger power supply?
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Post by Squiggles the Chao on Nov 17, 2005 23:45:55 GMT -5
Yeah, you'd need a stronger power supply. It's the ACPI that regulates how much power everything gets. Therefore, I'm guessing the card is requesting more power from the ACPI, and then the ACPI goes to the power supply requesting more power, but the power supply already can't take any more, so you get that error. Just a guess though.
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Post by Keith T. Hemari on Nov 18, 2005 0:29:32 GMT -5
Yeah, you'd need a stronger power supply. It's the ACPI that regulates how much power everything gets. Therefore, I'm guessing the card is requesting more power from the ACPI, and then the ACPI goes to the power supply requesting more power, but the power supply already can't take any more, so you get that error. Just a guess though. Ahh, ok. Thanks, a guess is better than nothing some times. Points me in the right direction at any rate^^ I'll run it by my aunt. She's a computer tech at IUPUI and runs a lab on computer engineering or something to that effect.. has to do with the guts of the computer more than the programing. She can take a look at the computer and tell me if the ACPI is damaged or if it's not supplying enough power. ANYway, thanks again! |
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Post by Squiggles the Chao on Nov 18, 2005 1:03:57 GMT -5
Er, the ACPI is not a single device, it's a standard for... Well, never mind. Just say that you may be having problems with the driver for the ACPI.
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Post by Andrusi on Nov 18, 2005 12:25:36 GMT -5
...wait, WinXP still has the BSOD?
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Post by Robert on Nov 18, 2005 12:53:40 GMT -5
Haha: However, when playing Marrowind, perhaps you're sucking too much... I stalled before I could finish reading that sentence. Anyway... ...wait, WinXP still has the BSOD? Indeed. As long as a fault can occur, there must be some handling for it. And indeed, faults can ALWAYS occur. Typically, however, that bizarre "IRQL_NOT_LESS_EQUAL" or whatever is the one I get from some type of electrical failure. Typically. But that's not to say it hasn't happened sporadocally. Probably the first time I got it consistently was with a board that had mismatched speed memory. But this is again hard to say. For a while my computer would constantly display this message at the point of shutdown. Actually, it continued doing that until Windows was completely reinstalled somewhere in the future. |
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