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Post by Hol Tiger on Dec 17, 2005 19:30:48 GMT -5
And a knitter must, if atleast every year or so, listen to the will of MCers.
I will rewrite the script.
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Post by Squiggles the Chao on Dec 17, 2005 19:33:48 GMT -5
No, you're missing the point. The point was not to rewrite the script. I tried to be diplomatic before, but I'm going to spell it out:
Don't make any more comics. You're not funny, you can't spell, and you put no effort into the visual presentation of them at all. The comics you produce look bad even for a sprite comic.
No one wants to read your comics. Please just stop.
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Post by ϟ¶∀☡ⓩ on Dec 17, 2005 19:37:14 GMT -5
As I said a minute ago in that other thread...Why can't you just let him have his fun? You don't HAVE to read it, no one's forcing you to.
And if he's stealing any sort of material fdrom anyone else, well, that's between him and the original owner, I guess.
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Post by Oni Lukos on Dec 17, 2005 19:42:49 GMT -5
What'll happen is that he makes it for a few months, realizes no-one reads it/it sucks/it was a waste of time, stop making it, go emo, and then start again many months later on an actually good/quality comic, which no-one reads because they think it's still going to be crap. Then he'll go emo because he tried so hard, but no-one will care at all.
Or at least, that's what happened to me. =<
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Post by Kulock on Dec 17, 2005 19:46:32 GMT -5
Squiggles, I don't mind when you're being a PITA when you have a valid MB concern in mind, making these declarations and such, but now you're directly posting topics bashing someone and their abilities, even when they've just said, "Yes, OK, I'll try to rewrite them." You didn't even see a single comic made toward that original script, the one I saw posted just a bit ago was apparently in response to the negative comments, not from the original plotted script.
No, sorry, but there's no way I can side with you on something like this. It may be crap, but let him have his fun, and guess what? Maybe it'll get better. Maybe it won't, I've known people who do things for years, never get better and never try to. But attacking him for not just a mistake, but for trying at all is flat-out wrong.
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Post by Toxic on Dec 17, 2005 19:46:43 GMT -5
Well to tell the complete truth nobody cares about a thing that you do period. Nobody here actually likes you. In fact most people hate your guts. Some people here feel a bit a pity for you and toelerate you, but the fact is nobody actually cares about you. In fact it would be better if you just went and fucking killed yourself cuz your life is not worth living.
There I said it.
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Post by Oni Lukos on Dec 17, 2005 19:50:41 GMT -5
Okay, now that was uncalled for. There're probably one or two people here who like him (Lob?), but it's true that it's not many. Telling him to kill himself is just...wrong. Sure, most of us want him gone, but telling him to commit suicide won't help ANYONE.
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Post by Kulock on Dec 17, 2005 19:51:06 GMT -5
And I lost respect for you for doing so.
"Go kill yourself because we find you irritiating."
Yeah, sage advice. This is the stuck-up asshole board stuff I HATE seeing here.
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Post by Squiggles the Chao on Dec 17, 2005 19:51:55 GMT -5
I admit I'm bashing Hol directly. And I also admit that I'm not doing this in the best interest of the forum. And yes, that comic he posted earlier was not from his script.
I'm sorry I'm being a pain in the ass to you, but I've just reached the limit of my patience with Hol. I want him to leave and never return. He's not a smart person, and I have no interest in putting up with his blatant trolling. In a way, I'm giving him the attention he wants here, even if it is negative. But that's the only reason he's making this comic. He wants attention, and he doesn't care if it's negative or not. I just want him to stop being an attention troll, and to stop harassing people.
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Post by Toxic on Dec 17, 2005 19:52:00 GMT -5
Well it's true. We son't have to deal with him anymore.
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Post by ϟ¶∀☡ⓩ on Dec 17, 2005 19:54:14 GMT -5
Something tells me that Toxic is joking, but if he's not, I'm actually shocked that it came from him, of many people.
Personally, I don't mind Hol. He can be ignorant at times, but I think he just wants to be one of the guys. Give him a break already. As far as his "enemies," that's probably just internet/pre-teen angst. Like, If Hol were to ever seriously insult me, I'd just laugh it off. =P
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Post by Kulock on Dec 17, 2005 19:58:05 GMT -5
He's not THAT much of an attention troll, not as bad as some people around here who don't get a single word said to them. He's also a young teen who doesn't know how to do everything just perfectly right, like you apparently do.
I admit I've been agitated by several of the things he's done lately, and using other people's characters or work without permission is bad, but I'm not going to REPEATEDLY attack the poor fellow over things he's only at the early stages on. And when you pull this proclamation BS like you do, you act like you're speaking for the majority of the board unless I step forward to clarify that, no, Squiggles' unique desires are NOT the complete center of the universe.
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Post by Squiggles the Chao on Dec 17, 2005 20:04:01 GMT -5
No, I'm completely speaking for myself on this one. I personally don't want to put up with his behavior anymore. I'm personally sick of it. Is it wrong if I take actions based on my feelings? It's not like I'm screaming BAN BAN BAN! I'm doing the best I can, from my position, to get him to go away. It's in my interest to have him leave.
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Post by Kulock on Dec 17, 2005 20:06:21 GMT -5
And as an admin, I do my best to smack down baseless flaming. You're flaming his ability to ever TRY to make comics, even when he's trying to make his meager early work better based on the reactions of others. So yeah, even if you're making it clear what you're doing, that still doesn't make it OK.
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Post by Squiggles the Chao on Dec 17, 2005 20:14:38 GMT -5
But that's the thing, I don't really see the effort to improve at all. I just see him doing the same thing for the same reasons. He's done it twice (at least) already. To think he's actually going to change at this point is optimistically foolish.
I don't know. It just seems to be that Hol can do whatever he wants, and as long as he pays the lip service to you, the worst that happens is that his topic gets locked. He doesn't actually change for the better, he just claims he's trying. That may be fine for you, but I'm sick and tired of Hol's antics.
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Post by Kulock on Dec 17, 2005 20:27:59 GMT -5
Here we go. "He's just talking you up, Ku." Gee, didn't see that one coming, over the horizon, screaming and waving a flag while shooting off fireworks.
You're "sick and tired" over a topic in Fluff with him posting, "Yes, OK, I'll change my comic script." This is after his script was reposted twice without people asking him, specifically to make fun of him, and a third time you posted a topic just to say, "That's really crap, you shouldn't make that comic, or any comic in general."
I've been told and shown some references about some of the off things he's done, like gone after Ink insensitively. I am quite aware he is not a saint and have been close to banning him at least once, possibly twice. But generally he does try to fix his activities and habits, whether you acknowledge that or not, and that's what generally keeps me from going further, because he DOES give a shit and tries, rather than just acting like he's entitled to be here by law or something arrogant.
So, yeah, sorry you're sick and tired, but he's not the one making a habit of flaming any time someone posts a new topic, even when that topic poster's trying to correct a mistake.
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Post by drak on Dec 17, 2005 20:37:26 GMT -5
Ugh, seriously, what. Does Hol wind you guys up THAT much? What happened to your senses of humor? Wouldn't it just be easier to just let him do what he wants and just, y'know... silently laugh at him for it and move on instead of throwing a fit about it? I really don't see ANY point in you guys acting like such goddamned children over this. HE'S STUPID. MOVE ON. THE END. He's not that big of a problem and your constant bitching and arguing about him is FAR more annoying than anything Hol has ever done. You don't need to act like some kind of benevolent hero of light and make an attempt to end his tyranny. Lighten UP, people UJRURGRURUGHGh.
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Post by Squiggles the Chao on Dec 17, 2005 20:37:38 GMT -5
I don't act like I'm entitled to be here. Like I've said to you before, if you want to ban me, then ban me. Ban me without provocation or reason—that's your right. I'm certainly trying not to be banned; I've taken many steps over the last few weeks to try to "fit in" with your vision of the cavern better, but if you feel the need to ban me, then do it. But I am still going to feel how I feel, and be who I am. I'm not going to be nice to Hol just because you say so. I'm not going to believe that he's legitimately improving until I see some examples. Over the entire time he's been here, I've seen none. I try to fit in with your newfound vision of increased pleasantry for this forum, but I'm not going to change who I am for it. So ban me if you want.
EDIT: To clarify, I'm not saying you should ban me, but that I've been aware that I've been walking on the edge lately... I'm saying you should ban be if you think it's the right thing to do. I'm not going to complain if you don't ban me, but I'm not going to complain if you ban me, either.
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Post by cake on Dec 17, 2005 20:46:21 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with Hol making the comics, as long as he doesn't use people's characters, without their permission.
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Post by Kulock on Dec 17, 2005 20:53:24 GMT -5
I don't act like I'm entitled to be here. Did I say you specifically? I said some people, there wasn't any sort of "LIKE YOU" implication. I've taken many steps over the last few weeks to try to "fit in" with your vision of the cavern better, but if you feel the need to ban me, then do it. OK, this is really starting to get insulting. "My vision"? Ugh. But I am still going to feel how I feel, and be who I am. I'm not going to be nice to Hol just because you say so. I'm not going to believe that he's legitimately improving until I see some examples. Over the entire time he's been here, I've seen none. I try to fit in with your newfound vision of increased pleasantry for this forum, but I'm not going to change who I am for it. So ban me if you want. I'm not going to ban you without reason, like you implied. But I am going to ban you if you break the rules, and especially if you do so intentionally with the full knowledge of them, just like I would any other person. And I'm getting sick of you implying I'm a totalitarian dictator because I told you to not use slurs around here and stop flaming someone. The next thing you're going to do is deny that, but you ARE doing it, there's no question about it, and it's been going on for a while.
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