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Post by Squiggles the Chao on Dec 17, 2005 18:59:46 GMT -5
Hol, the scripts have been posted here twice. I'm sure everyone here has seen them. I have a copy of them, and I've read through them: not a single one of them has any positive qualities to them. True, a few are so bad that their poor quality is funny in a pathetic way.
When you first announced your new comic, you claimed you had improved. These scripts show that is absolutely not the case. Not only are the comics not funny, but you are once again using characters from another person without their permission. You're just going to get yelled at again. It's not worth it. No one wants to see these comics finished. Please just stop.
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Post by Kulock on Dec 17, 2005 19:09:45 GMT -5
First of all: Private Message.
Secondly, while warning Hol about using other people's characters is good, the general tone seems more akin to "Just don't try," and there's already been two seperate topics bashing him about it, both locked. Get a clue. As long as he doesn't use other people's characters without permission, that does need to be changed, nothing's hurt by him making some comics, even if they are crappy. Everyone's work is crappy at first, it's the reality of things. Smacking someone down and calling them pathetic for the THIRD time when he hasn't even posted a single comic up yet is stupid.
You're not helping when you do this.
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Post by Squiggles the Chao on Dec 17, 2005 19:11:55 GMT -5
I think it all depends on what you're trying to accomplish, Kulock. I think this post does help what I'm trying to do.
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Post by Hol Tiger on Dec 17, 2005 19:14:42 GMT -5
Don't worry if I classify it as fan-ficition, then Tomb won't care.
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Post by H Hog on Dec 17, 2005 19:15:32 GMT -5
Who?
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Post by Squiggles the Chao on Dec 17, 2005 19:16:15 GMT -5
Don't worry if I classify it as fan-ficition, then Tomb won't care. Actually, that's the exact opposite impression I got from his LJ post. He dislikes fan-fiction, and wishes you would come up with your own ideas instead of stealing his. |
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Post by Hol Tiger on Dec 17, 2005 19:18:05 GMT -5
Don't worry if I classify it as fan-ficition, then Tomb won't care. Actually, that's the exact opposite impression I got from his LJ post. He dislikes fan-fiction, and wishes you would come up with your own ideas instead of stealing his. Then obviously you didn't read the bottom. "I don't mind fan-ficition, but copy and paste is bad" or something to that effect. |
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Post by H Hog on Dec 17, 2005 19:19:46 GMT -5
Right, so you're supposed to make up your own stories and situations instead of putting the ones he already made into comic form, additions made or no.
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Post by Squiggles the Chao on Dec 17, 2005 19:21:54 GMT -5
No, you're missing his point there, and if you read the comments carefully, you would see that he clarified it. He doesn't think that fan fiction is bad as long as people do interesting and unique things with it. But if they rehash old ideas, especially those in the original thing, or don't do anything good with it, he definitely doesn't approve. In your case, I got the impression that he didn't want you to do it:
"I also got notification that another user was going to be making some kinda short comic strip based off a story I wrote, using all the characters within, but with himself added into the whole thing somehow. Now, I don't like the idea of that on many levels, so I of course said no."
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Post by Hol Tiger on Dec 17, 2005 19:24:22 GMT -5
Right, so you're supposed to make up your own stories and situations instead of putting the ones he already made into comic form, additions made or no. Right, lemme rewrite the season 1 script.... |
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Post by ϟ¶∀☡ⓩ on Dec 17, 2005 19:32:06 GMT -5
Gwad, is this really that big of a deal? Just let Hol be...Geeze..
Complaining at him obviously doesn't do anything, does it now?
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Post by Hol Tiger on Dec 17, 2005 19:35:28 GMT -5
I SAID I'D REWRITE THE SCRIPT DAMN IT SPAZZ!
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Post by Oni Lukos on Dec 17, 2005 19:36:58 GMT -5
Make sure to let someone grammar check it, too.
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Post by ϟ¶∀☡ⓩ on Dec 17, 2005 19:39:10 GMT -5
I SAID I'D REWRITE THE SCRIPT DAMN IT SPAZZ! I see that, but that doesn't change what I said. =P |
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Post by Evan on Dec 17, 2005 21:33:42 GMT -5
...Wait okay there was another topic I SUCK
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Post by Sofox on Dec 18, 2005 11:21:52 GMT -5
Hol, Spazz wasn't saying anything directly against you there, he was just saying that people complaining about your work was pointless. While I can't comment on the copying aspects of the script (since I'm not sufficiently versed in the original material), I can say that the script wasn't that bad. It wasn't excellent by any means, but it had it's own quirky hyperactive humour to it, got a few laughs out of me, and while the plot wasn't deep and a touch unclear at times (although remember for the most part the script didn't contain descriptions of the panels so not having the graphics part of the comic would make things a little less clear) it seemed to carry through and generally stayed consistent, provided you didn't take it too seriously. Squigs, I don't know why your so admant to crush Hol like this. I guess it's because you believe he'll damage the Moogle Cavern by his behaviour, making it become not as nice a place to go to. Well, when you start a topic with the sole purpose of ending a creative endevour of someone who's still in his early stages and by hurling abuse at him and making some very negative comments, then you're already moving this Cavern in that direction already. Hol, while it's admirable you can take on such negative critizism and still continue (there are too many people who give up at the first sign of hardship) just remember that some critizism does have some merit and you'll need to take it into consideration if you want to improve. Since you recognised the copying problem when H Hog clarified it, I think you are going in the right direction. Just remember that sometime decent critizism is wrapped up in a lot of blatant destructive critizism so it can take a while to "filter out" the good points and use them to improve. No one wants to see these comics finished. Could people please stop saying things like this? I'm sick and tired of statments that make out that the whole cavern is against Hol. It A) demonstrates that the person who said this has either a too weak or badly researched opinion that he needs to resort to his perception of popular opinion in order to bolster his argument and B) makes it sound like I, who am part of this cavern, am also against Hol and agree with the poster and as you can imagine, I don't like being spoken for like this. If you have an opinion about Hol, or anything for that matter, show that it's strong enough to stand up on its own without others agreeing with it. |
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Post by Tenniru on Dec 18, 2005 11:57:20 GMT -5
Make sure to let someone grammar check it, too. ...Actually, that grammar bit in this new script was my fault. He submitted the thing to me long ago to check, and I kind of... forgot about it completely. |
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Post by GagaMan on Dec 18, 2005 12:33:49 GMT -5
Bloody nora, if this was anyone else but Hol, no-one woud be making so much fuss about it and having these long debates.
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Post by Oni Lukos on Dec 18, 2005 12:38:27 GMT -5
I'd come up with an arguement/explanation, but the circular logic is making my brain hurt right now.
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Post by Hol Tiger on Dec 18, 2005 12:38:32 GMT -5
Bloody nora, if this was anyone else but Hol, no-one woud be making so much fuss about it and having these long debates. Damn right! |
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