Epon's Rant-o-Rama

[Epon]

Hi gang, sorry, I know the topics already locked and I might just be throwing more proverbial fuel onto the fire, but I gotta get this off my chest.

Throughout adolecense, kids have the tendency to explore many things thru their school years. Drugs, booze, sex, homoerotic activities, whatever floats your boat. But I've seem to have learned something in my four years in high school: the true users/abusers never ever brag about it. I drink every weekend, I rock the pong table, I can probably put more back than this Kairofuckhead kid can in ten minutes then he can in ten hours. Reguardless, my point is that bragging about it online just proves one thing: you're a pussy, you have no friends who you can prove it to, and you probably had a fucking shot of southern comfort by yourself you sad, pathetic freak. Go outside and fucking get a tan, expose your skin to the sun, because God knows you don't have a life outside of trying to impress internet message board users.

Members of MoogleMB, please don't think i'm bashing the stereotypical nerd. But whatever you do, if you decide to drink, do drugs, get laid, whatever.... don't brag about it, it only makes you look queer. If you dont do anything, good for you, it's your choice and I respect that to the utmost degree. But if you like light a bowl for the first time in your life, dont hop onto IRC and be like "ZOMG IM TRIPPIN D00D THAT SH1T WAS TITE YO". You look dumb.

Thank you.

[Squiggles the Chao]

That's very interesting. When I see this topic, I really don't see anything positive in it. All I see is "I can probably hold my liquor better, but I don't brag about it." It would appear that you yourself are guilty in this topic of the very thing which you speak out against. I mean, looking directly at your words, you describe a hierarchy between the "true users/abusers" and those who are just imitatin'. The whole post reeks of the "EyE 4|\/| |\/|00r 1337 7|-|4|\| K4|r0 cuz EyE |<0|)3 |\/|y 0\/\/|\| 5p10|75" mentality, except instead of hacking, it's about drinking.

How specifically is this supposed to make the situation better? So what? You have more of a "life" than him? The fact that you're more debased? What are you trying to address with this topic? Or is it the fact that you're tired of listening to Kairo talk about how drunk he is? If so, wouldn't that be better addressed in a private conversation with him? I can't actually see any service message this is supposed to give to a community which doesn't even talk about drinking in the first place.

Also, I'd just like to point out that I take offense to homosexual or homoerotic activities being lumped in with drugs and booze.

[Admin]

But if you like light a bowl for the first time in your life, dont hop onto IRC and be like "ZOMG IM TRIPPIN D00D THAT SH1T WAS TITE YO". You look dumb.

i told u i was hardcore

[Epon]

SquigglesTheChao said:

That's very interesting. When I see this topic, I really don't see anything positive in it. All I see is "I can probably hold my liquor better, but I don't brag about it." It would appear that you yourself are guilty in this topic of the very thing which you speak out against. I mean, looking directly at your words, you describe a hierarchy between the "true users/abusers" and those who are just imitatin'. The whole post reeks of the "EyE 4|\/| |\/|00r 1337 7|-|4|\| K4|r0 cuz EyE |<0|)3 |\/|y 0\/\/|\| 5p10|75" mentality, except instead of hacking, it's about drinking.

How specifically is this supposed to make the situation better? So what? You have more of a "life" than him? The fact that you're more debased? What are you trying to address with this topic? Or is it the fact that you're tired of listening to Kairo talk about how drunk he is? If so, wouldn't that be better addressed in a private conversation with him? I can't actually see any service message this is supposed to give to a community which doesn't even talk about drinking in the first place.

Also, I'd just like to point out that I take offense to homosexual or homoerotic activities being lumped in with drugs and booze.

Jesus Christ, leave it to you to get completely bent out of shape and tear apart my words to get a hardon. The entire point of the post is to show that said "activities" aren't a big deal and shouldn't be bragged about (nor should they be your reasoning of going online and typing up a storm of insults, etc). But I guess you're just too used to hearing negative things to realize that infact I was supporting it.

Secondly, me bringing up my drinking habits was to show the polar opposite of him and demonstrate how I, along with other people, don't go on and brag about it. If you actually took time out to read it and not be so closed minded, maybe you'd understand that. But I guess living in a world today overrun with zealots with a biased personality has clouded your judgement that everyone is like that. Get over it, you're wrong Squiggs.

And finally, you bring up how I should have addressed it privately. I'm sorry, I don't associate with twits, nor can I PM him due to him being banned. Oh, guess I'm right again.

If the moderators have a problem with this, then they can lock it, but from what I can tell, H didn't, and from what I can tell, he's the elected moderator here, and his say is final. ZOMG!

[Admin]

You can't PM him due to him not even registering an account in the first place.
He still uses AIM, though.

Don't have a real problem per say, but I can see where Squigs is coming from in the manner of "what good does it do at this point".

And naw, my word ain't final - Ku and Leo are adminned as well, they can still disagree at this point - if we were always in unison with our views, it'd be redundant to have 3 of us in the first place. ;P

[Squiggles the Chao]

But I guess you're just too used to hearing negative things to realize that infact I was supporting it.

No, I understand exactly what you're supporting. I just don;t understand why you felt it needed to be said. As far as I can tell, there isn't a large problem here about people bragging that they do that kind of shit. It's just Kairo, PC0 (when he pops in), occasionally Sep, and now you.

You claim that your example about your drinking habits is only to provide an example of the ideal behavior, however, that's exactly what I'm arguing against. By establishing yourself as the ideal, you're necessarily creating a hierarchy in which you are saying, "In this subset of activities, I am the ideal. Kairo is at the bottom of this hierarchy." And thus, by implication, you are saying that you are better than Kairo at this certain subset of activities. I can see no positive purpose for that statement, other than to inflcte your e-ego.

I'm sorry, I don't associate with twits, nor can I PM him due to him being banned. Oh, guess I'm right again.

Yse, because certainly being an arrogant jerk means you win. Did you even read what you wrote there. You're essentially saying "I consider direct contact with Kairo to be beneath me so I'm going to burden the community with a message that they don't really need right now and continue to contribute to a negative atmosphere.

And finally, a note. While I'm sure that he has our support, H was not an elected Admin, he was appointed. And though what he says goes, without argument, that does not necessarily mean he's right. No one's right all the time, and I'm sure that H would be the first to admit it.

[midopa]

Heh, heh. The MC is a triumvirate!

[Epon]

But see, this is what I'm arguing with you! I'm not saying what I do is an "ideal", vis-a-vis, and whatever large words you wan't to use. I'm showing that someone who does participate in these activities doesn't go and brag about it. This wasn't a topic for me to "show off" or whatever else you want to call it, but rather demonstrate how repugnant Kairo's excuses were.

I'm sorry if you don't like other people talking about what they do with their free time. If you wanna get really anal about the convo, I can turn around and say Joe Schmoe over there posting about his "pwnt-ment" at a random video game offends me because he's coming off as the "ideal". It's the same arguement and quite frankly, it's invalid all around.

And please don't come back with "Drinking and video games are completely different." because in the case we're discussing, they're not. I'm not talking about alcoholism here, I'm talking about harmless drinking with your friends on a weekend hanging out and playing Beirut.

But whatev. I guess there's always someone in the world who takes offense of something that's not meant to harm anyone but the true "evils", if you will. I'm not going off here on ya'll, I'm going off on a jackass who no one should hold an ounce of respect for.

[Squiggles the Chao]

Sorry to go backwards on this one, but it just seems to flow better.

I'm going off on a jackass who no one should hold an ounce of respect for.

The elitism here is really one of the mist repugnant things about your argument here. How can you say that you aren't creating a hierarchy of you over Kairo when you come out and blatantly say things like that? There are certain activities which I have no respect for; drinking and using drugs for recreational purposes are not activities which I hold in high regard. Nevertheless, I still consort with people who do so (my own family even), and I certainly don't try to dehumanize them or kick them when popular opinion would let me get away with it, as you seem to be doing now. We are all human beings here, and we need to treat each other with a little bit of respect. That's what got us into this situation in the first place. Although I hate to criticize Kulock, I think the ban was premature (and Ku, I know you were under a lot of pressure following the whole Hol and Lob thing, so don't sweat it), and more efforts could have been made to warn Kairo of why he was about to be banned. Kairo, in return, established himself, in his mind, as better than the people here at the MC, and prompted the board exploitation. If both sides had spent a bit more effort to come to terms with each other as people, we could possibly be kicking back at MoogleMB.com right now. Instead, we're here.

I'm sorry if you don't like other people talking about what they do with their free time. If you wanna get really anal about the convo, I can turn around and say Joe Schmoe over there posting about his "pwnt-ment" at a random video game offends me because he's coming off as the "ideal". It's the same arguement and quite frankly, it's invalid all around.

I think you're missing my argument here. If, in your example, Mr. Schmoe had said something along the lines of "I am so better than Kairo because I pwn3d him at Halo 2," I would have the same reaction. He's establishing himself as better, when there's really no reason for it. If he was saying something along the lines of "HEY LOOK I AM SO LEET CUZ O RAWK AT HALO 2," I'd probably just ignore his self-congradulating behavior.

[KairoAnnunaki]

Squiggles, you don't have to.

Just let me take care of it.

Don't do it because of me.

[Squiggles the Chao]

Kairo, no offense, but don't flatter yourself. This isn't about you, not for me at least. This is about trying to get rid of some obnoxious, self-righteous, elitist hate that seems to have been present to some degree up to the hacking, and has persisted after that. Regardless of what you did or not do, that does not excuse Epon's behavior in the thread.

[Epon]

Honestly, I still have yet to see your point other than "I don't like it when people drink out of recreation". If that's the case, then you should be pissing/moaning at ScriptKiddie over there, as he's the one that apparently does things that he later regrets because he get's "plastered".

Okay, I'll say this one more time: Drinking is not an excuse for what he did, nor should be brag about it because reguardless or not it was his reasoning, it's still NOTHING to brag about. It's not like he downed two 40s and wasnt feeling tipsy, it's him trying to impress people/excuse his behavior.

It's rediculous. There IS no elitism. I didn't go on a rant about how "I have a life, you all should too! Sex is great my penis is nineteen inches long eff you nerds!" I said that he SHOULD NOT BE BRAGGING. Can you get that thru your head?! Everything you've said so far has been redundant, I AGREE WITH IT. And anything that you try to prove me wrong with isn't something I'm even arguing about!

It's like you took offense to something, I said "Um, I wasn't even arguing that", but you still feel the need to continue the discussion for...whatever reason. ::shrugs::

[ViiJay]

Epon, you say you're not trying to put yourself above Kairo.

Epon said:

I drink every weekend, I rock the pong table, I can probably put more back than this Kairofuckhead kid can in ten minutes then he can in ten hours.

.. yet, I find this terribly misleading. :`D

[Epon]

yeah but read the rest:

...Reguardless, my point is that bragging about it online just proves one thing: you're a pussy, you have no friends who you can prove it to, and you probably had a fucking shot of southern comfort by yourself you sad, pathetic freak. Go outside and fucking get a tan, expose your skin to the sun, because God knows you don't have a life outside of trying to impress internet message board users.

Members of MoogleMB, please don't think i'm bashing the stereotypical nerd. But whatever you do, if you decide to drink, do drugs, get laid, whatever.... don't brag about it

[ViiJay]

I can see where you're coming from, but Squigglez has his points too. And my post was just out of lighthearted-ness.

PFFT, JERSEY PEOPLE. CANT HUMOR THEM AT ALL

;p

[Admin]

*can't help but let out a snicker*

[Epon]

Whomelse is from the great Garden State?

[KairoAnnunaki]

Epon: Bitch bitch bitch.

[Epon]

You're the one who's predicting the downfall of this messageboard because noone likes you. I fail to see how me making fun of your lack of life constitutes as bitching.

If anything, I guess you can say Squiggs was right, that I was putting you below me. But it was to show everyone how they shouldnt turn out to be, because in that thing called the "real world", INTERWEB ANONIMINITY does not exist and there are real life concequences for being a twat.

[GagaMan]

Aagh, god. What's happening to this forum? Can't we just talk about video games like the good ol' days? ;_;