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Post by Jolly Joes on Nov 6, 2006 23:36:19 GMT -5
...until you squint your eyes trying to see the washed out colors on the screen, over the glare of the sun.
I dunno man, $80 for the original DS seems like $30 too much. There were a lot of problems in the design of the original DS that I traded it in for the DSLite--which corrected them. I think the trade-in value for the original DS is $30.
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Post by Joshi on Nov 6, 2006 23:46:31 GMT -5
"...until you squint your eyes trying to see the washed out colors on the screen, over the glare of the sun."
Have you ever actually used a DSfat outside? There is no glare. The image is FINE and it makes no difference whether you have the light on or off.
I'm tired of hearing that arguement because it is friggin' retarded and just plain WRONG.
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Post by Keith T. Hemari on Nov 7, 2006 0:00:30 GMT -5
yeah... my DS has excellent screen clarity.. even with my room light shining right over my shoulder, I can still see fine. I mean, there's a reflection, yes, but that's why I maneuver myself so that it's not shining directly on the screen.. you'd have to do that with any screen.
As for design flaws... honestly I don't find much of anything wrong with it. The power button could be in a less right-in-the-way spot and I have a little trouble with the shoulder buttons, but then again, I can't tell if that's just me getting used to the system/games.. and I have short, wide fingers anyway, so I'm gonna have some issues that the target gamer hand (and you just know they did studies on that XD) wouldn't.
I feel I got a good deal, maybe not great, but good. Given it would have been something like $119 for a Lite, I think I made the right choice.
Edit: Ok, so I should note that my comments on the screen are based on the fact that I don't turn off the back-lighting. But back-lighting is almost a necessity when you deal with Transmissive LCD screens, since LCD doesn't generate light, but absorb it. The light becomes a requirement.. I think that's half the reason the original Advance irked me so much - no back light.
the other primary alternative are the Reflective LCD screens and those are mostly used in digital watches, for monochrome displays.
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Post by Optimus Prime on Nov 7, 2006 0:03:58 GMT -5
... I grew up with the goddamned Gameboy and Gamegear. If you could play a GB outside, that meant the sun had exploded. GG's are also highly vulnerable to ambient light, which is why they had that constrast slider. Anyone who bitches about the DS fat being hard to see... you have either forgotten or never played the oldies.
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Post by Jolly Joes on Nov 7, 2006 2:12:58 GMT -5
I own a GBC and the original GBA and it was pretty terrible at times(especially with the GBA) when playing certain games.(Castlevaina anyone?) Have you ever actually used a DSfat outside? Lots of times, as I usually commute. On those very sunny days, it was hard to see the blasted screen clearly. The PSP also has this problem at times, but it is worse with the original DS since that lighting was worse. It's my main reason why I made the switch. I swear, it sucked screwing up a game just because you have trouble seeing the screen. The 3rd or 4th setting on the DSLite remedied this problem.
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Post by Joshi on Nov 7, 2006 8:44:27 GMT -5
Then you either have very terrible eyes or are fairly bad at holding the DS in such a way as to not reflect the sun directly into your face (Which isn't hard to do in the least).
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Post by Jolly Joes on Nov 7, 2006 14:37:49 GMT -5
Then there must be a lot of people with terrible eyes or holding the system "incorrectly" because it is a common complaint about the DS. =P
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Post by Keith T. Hemari on Nov 7, 2006 14:57:08 GMT -5
OK, Mrs. Jolly-Wally-Joes, I think you've made your point (that being that you don't like the DS's screen), so how about explaining how the DSLite is better? I'm not likely to get one any time soon, but it could help anyone else who might want to get one and it would be more productive than arguing about what seems to come down to a matter of opinion.
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Post by Jolly Joes on Nov 7, 2006 15:53:49 GMT -5
Not really personal opinon, be the colors of the DSLite do pop-up more because of the interchange-able lighting. Top is DS, bottom is DSLite. More comparision pics here: www.4colorrebellion.com/archives/2006/03/02/ultimate-comparison-pics/+In addition, the DSLite has a longer battery lifespan than the DS +There are four settings of brightness for the DSL. The lowest setting of the DSLite is brighter than the original DS, and it last 15-19 hours vs. the DS's 8-10 hours. The highest setting lasts 5-9 hours. +There is a shorter battery charge time on the DSL(3 hrs) compared to the DS(4 hrs). +The DSL's stylus is bigger and thicker than DSFats. +DSL is smaller and lighter, of(f) course. +Personally, I think it looks waaaaay better aestically than the original DS. I guess America seems to agree, because ever since the DSLite have been released in the US, the brand finally out sold both the PSP and the GBASP to be the current top portable in this country. --The downsides is that GBA carts stick out due to the machine being smaller. Though that doesn't really bug me to much. --Also there have been complaints about the D-Pad seeing that it is smaller than the original DS. Though it is slightly bigger than the GCN/GBA line D-Pad. If you were used those d-pads then you won't have that much trouble with it. Other little notes: ~~The power button is different and is placed in a different location. Instead of holding down Power at the top of the screen, one the DSLite you slide the Power switch located on the side of the console. ~~The DSL microphone is placed in the middle of the two screens and instead of the bottom like the DS. ~~The Stylus holder is located on the side of the DSL. Well, that's that about the DSL. I guess the best analogy for the machine would be GBA : GBASP :: DS : DSLite Enough about that. Now if you have any concerns about protecting your screen from scratches(and believe me there will be scratches if you frequently play any DS game that requires constant use of the stylus), may I suggest investing in this? Though I think they sell them at Gamestop/EB. They work on the DSFats also and I wouldn't trust any other brand of filters other than Hori. EDIT: Here's actually a good video comparing the DS vs. DSLite that I just found out about now. It just state most of what I have said more clearly and in video form. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp7Be1qsblI
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Post by Keith T. Hemari on Nov 7, 2006 16:58:52 GMT -5
Half that guys comparison is entirely aesthetic and has nothing to do with actual objective quality of product. He basically states that it looks better and has a bigger stylus. The technical issues (screen brightness, stylus, etc) are almost secondary. A very poor comparison, if you ask me.
As for that screen comparison... I swear that's darker than what my screen shows up. Mine seems nice and bright, to me anyway. Maybe mine is somehow magical, or got different back-lighting put in it.
I do agree that the view angle is better with the Lite, but still..
See, this is why it's a matter of opinion. To me, the lighting is fine, I don't need it any brighter. That's my opinion. To you, however, it isn't and you do need brighter. That's your opinion. In theory, we have identical products, yet we see them differently, therefor it is a matter of opinion.
It is, however, entirely possible that there was some small change made to the DS some time prior to or just after the release of the DSLite, or that some DS's had poor back-lighting. This happens with many electronic and mechanical goods, where a company realizes a mistake and fixes it or the production from a certain factory is faulty and so a certain number of items come out sub-standard or even faulty.
In the end, I am perfectly happy with my DS and that, since, as I said before, I am the only one to play my DS, is perfectly fine by me. So pthbt ;P
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Post by Jolly Joes on Nov 7, 2006 17:35:39 GMT -5
Well, it's not just the screen that I like about the DSLite, it is the bigger stylus, longer battery time and shorter charge time. I mean, thanks to the larger stylus, I was able to clear a certain song I have been stuck on for the longest time in Ouendan. XD XD XD
And I admit, the lighting issues didn't arise until I tried to play my old system in May through Fall where the days were longer.
This is what happened with the GBASP early this year. Nintendo released the GBASP+ and it contains a brighter screen comparable with the DSLite. It really does look good.
Also, do they still sell new DS Fats at $130 or they don't have them anymore at your local store?
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Post by Robert on Nov 7, 2006 17:53:59 GMT -5
I'd like to add a question to Keiths': Is it possible to get rid of that irritating "epilepsy warning: touch screen to continue" screen? Contrary to Blaze's single-word rejection, it is "possible" to do, just not something you should likely do, especially if you value your DS, warranties, and such. You replace the DS firmware (BIOS) with a hacked version.
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Post by Keith T. Hemari on Nov 7, 2006 17:54:00 GMT -5
I haven't seen any DS's at the stores around here(just DSLites), but the prices I've seen for the DS haven't been much less... 100-120 dollars is the best I've seen for new. So it's a savings of anywhere between twenty and forty dollars, which, as I said, while not a great deal, is still a good deal. To me anyway.
The bigger stylus does sound good, but I could buy whatever kind of stylus I want for it, it just wouldn't fit in the slot. I could live with that. The arrangement of buttons is a bit odd, but I'm getting used to it. Just gotta be careful of that power button XD
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Post by Oni Lukos on Nov 7, 2006 18:05:34 GMT -5
Don't worry about it too much. I've only ever hit it by mistake once...unless you count those times when I was playing ZX and angrily reset and hit the wrong combination.
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